Matrix and freedom

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

This is false . The unseen to the seen ratio is actually like 99% / 1%.

the surface of perception is not even close to a particle of sand in the whole earth’s deserts to the entire physical world . Let alone the spiritual world and the spiritual creatures like angels and ghosts .
 

Whatever you are dedicating your life to, will be all that is in the instance of this. 

 

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Whatever you are dedicating your life to, will be all that is in the instance of this. 

 

Correct. 
that still doesn’t answer what is the thing I want to dedicate my life to. 

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Correct. 
that still doesn’t answer what is the thing I want to dedicate my life to. 

The answer will only become known to you in the instance of knowing it, and not one second before.

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The answer will only become known to you in the instance of knowing it, and not one second before.

[Mellowmarsh]

11 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So why even bother to ask “that still doesn’t answer what is the thing I want to dedicate my life to” ? 

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So why even bother to ask “that still doesn’t answer what is the thing I want to dedicate my life to” ? 

I was responding to your message.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Someone here said:

I was responding to your message.

And I replied to your message.

[Someone here]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

And I replied to your message.

And @Joseph Maynor entered the chat .

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

And @Joseph Maynor entered the chat .

And that would also be this. And this would be all that is, ising. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, Someone here said:

How does that look like In practice?

you open yourself to absolute being,, the difference in your normal, day-to-day state is that the feeling of being separate and isolated disappears.

This doesn't mean that you as an individual don't exist, but rather that there is no absolute separation between you and reality. This perception is continuous and completely changes the frequency at which your mind operates.

[Breakingthewall]

19 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Humans know nothing about the absolute. The only thing humans know is that they will die. Everything else is pure speculative fiction constructed artificially via their made up linguistics.

Do you know that you exist?

[Breakingthewall]

17 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

There's nobody stuck though. The self illusion is the stickiness/prison 

Assuming there is a limited local self that is stuck in its belief system, is exactly what's being pointed out as illusory.

Awakening is the end of an apparent someone believing in a relative or absolute reality. 

The human bodies have senses and can also develop spiritually conditioned imaginations such as that body over there.

Identification as that body/spirituality conditioned imagination, is the cause of the delusion!

It may continue chasing delusional concepts until body death.

You don't understand, it's not about beliefs. For example, you perceive that you exist right? That existence is existing now. It's not a belief, it's the very fact of being conscious.

You also can feel fear to death. That's not an illusion, its evolutive programing that comes from the fist cells. Need to survival and reproduction. Do you think that's an illusion? No , its evolutive programming. 

Then in some point living beings develop minds that can use simbolism to understand the environment where they have to survive, then those minds create an image of themselves, the living individual that needs to survive and that interacts with others living beings. This image is not an illusion, is an image that represents a reality, and it's a reality by itself, as a mental creation supported by an emotional structure developed during millions of years of interaction in/out. 

This mind that knows that it's a living being that can die, and can reproduce, creates a world by the constant interaction with the environment, and does so supported by genetical basis of fear to death and rejection, desire to survival and acceptation, reproduction, success in the group. This mental world is not an illusion, it's a stable pattern that exists, same than an atom or a Galaxy. 

Then this process that we call mind knows that exists, that is. This process is the reality manifested as a process that knows that is, so it's the reality knowing that is. 

Usually this mind knows that is a, b, d....in comparison with opposites and standards. And it's pushed by it's emotional system to feel lack, etc. But it can do a change of frequency and perceive directly the absolute fact of existing, it's absolute nature. It's quite simple, remove everything, then the absolute fact of existing remains perceiving itself. 

Well, simple....not so because that mind has a programming built in millions of years that pushes to be absolutely focused in survival and adaptation. But doing some work in the correct direction it's absolutely possible.

[Someone here]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

you open yourself to absolute being,, the difference in your normal, day-to-day state is that the feeling of being separate and isolated disappears.

This doesn't mean that you as an individual don't exist, 

This can’t work. If my feeling of being separate disappears how can I still exist as individual which is by its etymology means I’m separate from the rest of existence? It’s pure contradiction. Can you clarify more ? If my sense of being separate really disappears without coming back ,”I” would literally die and all will be left is reality doing what reality does .

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

This can’t work. If my feeling of being separate disappears how can I still exist as individual which is by its etymology means I’m separate from the rest of existence? It’s pure contradiction. Can you clarify more ? If my sense of being separate really disappears without coming back ,”I” would literally die and all will be left is reality doing what reality does .

I said absolute separation. You are an individual that needs to survive and that needs relationship with others. That's a reality, you don't need to think that the others are you, everything is one or anything like that. The others are there, some of them are hot and others can stole your phone, period. 

The real point is that you perceive yourself without any absolute limits. Relative limits exist, but you don't perceive yourself anymore as isolated, in lack, empty that needs to be filled with things, relationships, purpose, etc.

you perceive yourself as the reality flowing exactly now, like if everything were a perfect flow that is happening and you perceive it's energy, it's vitality, its push.

You don't see everything from lack, like, oh I'm poor and I have not girlfriend, but from the fact of existing without any interpretation. You still can place your perspective in the shitty fact of the lacks, but you also can easily place yourself in the absolute fact of being.

Then you see yourself as what is. Not as an idea, illusion or concept but right now you perceive the reality happening. Then everything feels open, powerful, full of bright, alive. All your body feels aligned, free, without friction, your eyes are open, there is no thought, not because you try to stop thinking but because existing now can't be thought, thoughts are a manifestation of existing now, then you don't try to encompass the container with the content because it's clear thats stupid, you don't need to think in it, you see it directly .

Then, you perceive that anything that could be it's the reality and you are the reality. Death happens in the reality, not out of the reality, death is just a dissolution in what you are, nothing is alien, you are at home in the sense that it's impossible that there is anything external of the reality. Can be relative separation but absolute separation is impossible. But for that perception you have to open yourself to the absolute 

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I said absolute separation. You are an individual that needs to survive and that needs relationship with others. That's a reality, you don't need to think that the others are you, everything is one or anything like that. The others are there, some of them are hot and others can stole your phone, period. 

The real point is that you perceive yourself without any absolute limits. Relative limits exist, but you don't perceive yourself anymore as isolated, in lack, empty that needs to be filled with things, relationships, purpose, etc.

you perceive yourself as the reality flowing exactly now, like if everything were a perfect flow that is happening and you perceive it's energy, it's vitality, its push.

You don't see everything from lack, like, oh I'm poor and I have not girlfriend, but from the fact of existing without any interpretation. You still can place your perspective in the shitty fact of the lacks, but you also can easily place yourself in the absolute fact of being.

Then you see yourself as what is. Not as an idea, illusion or concept but right now you perceive the reality happening. Then everything feels open, powerful, full of bright, alive. All your body feels aligned, free, without friction, your eyes are open, there is no thought, not because you try to stop thinking but because existing now can't be thought, thoughts are a manifestation of existing now, then you don't try to encompass the container with the content because it's clear thats stupid, you don't need to think in it, you see it directly .

Then, you perceive that anything that could be it's the reality and you are the reality. Death happens in the reality, not out of the reality, death is just a dissolution in what you are, nothing is alien, you are at home in the sense that it's impossible that there is anything external of the reality. Can be relative separation but absolute separation is impossible. But for that perception you have to open yourself to the absolute 

Bite the bullet and embrace paradox.  

What is the origin of the universe? Was it the chicken or the egg?

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Bite the bullet and embrace paradox.  

What is the origin of the universe? Was it the chicken or the egg?

 

The origen of the universe is the absence of límits.

[Sugarcoat]

19 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Look closely for that which is convinced. 

Who or what is convinced?

What is "I’m"?

What does it consist of?

Who needs to pay for satsang when you have actualized.org forum 

[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Look closely for that which is convinced. 

Who or what is convinced?

What is "I’m"?

What does it consist of?

It's quite simple, The self is a stable, self-referential process that arises from being a self-preserving organism that interacts with the outside world. It is formed by the perception of the body, the perception of one's position within the group, the need to survive, and the desire for acceptance and success within the group, all of which are genetically encoded, supported by impulses that we call emotions. 

This creates a process in which a centrality emerges, along with a record of change, prediction of change and an interpretation of that change, in order to operate coherently in reality and persist as a species. Is this an illusion? I don't know why. Newman and those people categorize the self as an illusion in order to feel better, but it makes no sense 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you know that you exist?

Yes, it’s self evidently known that existence is aware right now. But this awareness has no knowledge of it existing absolutely without limitation.

To know itself absolutely, awareness must define what it is, which requires using thoughts, labels, or concepts that are inherently limited. 

Absolute knowledge implies a knower looking at a known, but awareness cannot turn around to look at itself as an external object. 

 

So the claim ( I know I exist ) automatically creates a duality of knower and known. Where the totality splits into a subject and object division. Division is known conceptually, which is limitation, but the totality cannot itself be known without the totality becoming just another conceptually known object which cannot know anything.

 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The origen of the universe is the absence of límits.

Wouldn't that be a paradox.  Does a bottle have a limit when you fill it up? What if the bottle just became where you poured forever.   That's reality.