Matrix and freedom

[tvaeli]

It's that: you have right for your matrix, let them build their because it's controlled by thermodynamics, not your investment - your investment grants yours. We have to somehow manage society.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No person is denying their sense of self doesn’t exist, I mean that’s impossible simply because the pain and suffering still arises anyway, so there must necessarily be something that is aware of these sensations , it’s not as if these sensations are suddenly going to stop arising just because some human being has transcended the illusion of separation, no, the sensations are still going to arise, and the human being is able to recognise that these sensations are not personal anymore, that’s all. No human being I know is denying the sense of self doesn’t actually exist, that’s just another sensation that cannot not exist because it’s simply known to exist, but not to any one personally, that’s all, because we’re all subject to the same pain and suffering, just as we’re all breathing the same air, and bleeding the same red blood.

I think that the "anyone personally" is what arises due or genetical programming, it's not an illusion, it's something that happens, something realtive. You can recognize yourself as not fundamental as a self, just something that happens in the process of being human. The problem is calling it illusion, it's very confusing because implies anything else more real. 

When Newman and the neo advaita say that nothing have happened, nobody never existed, it's just wrong, the self exist and the process that is happening too. It's not essential, not the center of reality, it's just an arising that's happening and you can see yourself as something relative, not absolute, then open your focus. But if you deny the self as false you get in a mental mess imo