Professor Dave goes off on Destiny and Israel 🇮🇱

[Leo Gura]

@Karmadhi Be mindful of your biased view on this issue.

Your passion clouds your ability to see other's views clearly.

[Karmadhi]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Be mindful of your biased view on this issue.

Your passion clouds your ability to see other's views clearly.

If I was not mindful I would not have asked you this

"I am really curious to understand how you come to that conclusion. What constitutes development to you?

Because to me it is linked mostly with moral development, not technological development"

I was not being sarcastic, I was geniounly interested in understanding your perspective on it

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

If I was not mindful I would not have asked you this

"I am really curious to understand how you come to that conclusion. What constitutes development to you?

Because to me it is linked mostly with moral development, not technological development"

I was not being sarcastic, I was geniounly interested in understanding your perspective on it

But I mean beyond that. Regardless of my opinion, your biases cloud your judgment.

Do I really need to explain that Palestine is less developed than Israel?

[Heaven]

@Leo Gura What’s your opinion on the Ceuta invasion? 

[Karmadhi]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But I mean beyond that. Regardless of my opinion, your biases cloud your judgment.

If caring about human rights and international law is a bias then yes i am biased. To me those are more important than how technology advanced or democratic a society is (and israel is not a real democracy imo).

To me if a country is genocidal or supports things like mass murder, ethnic cleansing or rape it is a not developed country regardless of what tech they use.

humanity is most important thing when determining development 

If that makes me biased then ok

[Heaven]

@Karmadhi Gazanians are mostly uneducated and are red on the spiral d.

It can’t be more obvious than that.

Also to say that Israel isn’t a democracy showing how delusional you are on this topic.

[Heaven]

German politician wonders:

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Religious Zionist lawmaker, Zvi Sukkot, vandalizes Palestinian martyrs memorial.

Incident happened August 25, 2026.

https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/2092156048769532185

https://x.com/EyeonPalestine/status/2092163744017055917

 

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Heaven said:

Gazanians are mostly uneducated and are red on the spiral d.

It can’t be more obvious than that.

What do you base that on?

Or maybe we have different views of Stage Red

To me Stage Red would be something like Mongols or the Internahwme during the Rwandan Genocide

Basically a group of people that chop you into pieces, burn you alive for fun etc

I do not see Gazans in general be like that

For example Ben Gvir wanted to surround a prison for Palestinians with Crocodiles

That is how a stage red mind thinks, it is gory, graphic, vulgar and flashy in violence

A stage blue would be more like a bullet to the head type of killing.

I am sure you have some which are very bloodthirsty in Gaza but I have not seen proof of the majority of the population being like that 

A few thousand celebrating out of 2.2 millions on dead Israeli bodis (which is awful) can be indeed stage red behaviour but I did not see most of Gaza do so

Note: I am not saying most Isarelis are stage Red either, to me the center of gravity of that country is mostly Blue with some degrees of Orange and even Green.

However their blueness is extremly toxic.

Stage Blue can be very very bad, just because you are blue does not mean you are not genocidal psychopath

Most Nazis were Blue

"Also to say that Israel isn’t a democracy showing how delusional you are on this topic."

To be fair I also include the West Bank there since there is the 2 tier legal system and illegal occupation and settlements

If we talk about Israel proper I would call it a democracy (not liberal but democratic)

However Israel goes beyond proper Israel so if I include those it is not democratic

Edited 19 hours ago by Karmadhi

[LordFall]

On 8/24/2026 at 3:18 PM, Leo Gura said:

I think for him it's simple: Palestinian = backwards religious lunatics and terrorists.

I think many people look at the issue as one of backwards Muslims vs civilized Israelis, and side with civilized Israelis.

Of course that's not my view. But I understand the allure of that view. If you are not deeply informed and objective, then civilized Israelis seems the better side. Israeli IS more developed than Palestine. That's the bottom line for many people. They are choosing based on development level, not morality or justice. There is a xenophobic aspect to this as well. Muslims are just more alien to the West than Jews. Basically, people are simple-mindedly picking the less alien side.

For someone like Trump, he's thinking about it like this: Would I rather be allied with rich Jews or poor Muslims? The answer for him is obvious.

That makes sense. I had a similar view until the leaks with the IDF soldier printing 2 for 1 t shirts for when they killed pregnant palestinian women.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna29837969

[Heaven]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

What do you base that on?

Or maybe we have different views of Stage Red

To me Stage Red would be something like Mongols or the Internahwme during the Rwandan Genocide

Basically a group of people that chop you into pieces, burn you alive for fun etc

I do not see Gazans in general be like that

For example Ben Gvir wanted to surround a prison for Palestinians with Crocodiles

That is how a stage red mind thinks, it is gory, graphic, vulgar and flashy in violence

A stage blue would be more like a bullet to the head type of killing.

I am sure you have some which are very bloodthirsty in Gaza but I have not seen proof of the majority of the population being like that 

A few thousand celebrating out of 2.2 millions on dead Israeli bodis (which is awful) can be indeed stage red behaviour but I did not see most of Gaza do so

Note: I am not saying most Isarelis are stage Red either, to me the center of gravity of that country is mostly Blue with some degrees of Orange and even Green.

However their blueness is extremly toxic.

Stage Blue can be very very bad, just because you are blue does not mean you are not genocidal psychopath

Most Nazis were Blue

"Also to say that Israel isn’t a democracy showing how delusional you are on this topic."

To be fair I also include the West Bank there since there is the 2 tier legal system and illegal occupation and settlements

If we talk about Israel proper I would call it a democracy (not liberal but democratic)

However Israel goes beyond proper Israel so if I include those it is not democratic

Israel and the West Bank are two separate entities. Israel is enforcing zero weapon on the West Bank for obvious reasons.

After the 7th invasion you can clearly see Gazans celebrating, cheering and even attacking innocent hostages. As you describe it, it can’t get more Red than that.

Also Gazans democratically elected Hamas so it means the majority are Red.

[Heaven]

Israel is mostly Blue, Orange and Green.

For sure there are some Red like any country but they are the minority.

[Raze]

16 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Israel is mostly Blue, Orange and Green.

For sure there are some Red like any country but they are the minority.

No, polls found the majority of Israelis supported genocide and Israelis held protests in support of idf on video committing rape.

[Karmadhi]

1 hour ago, Heaven said:

Israel and the West Bank are two separate entities. Israel is enforcing zero weapon on the West Bank for obvious reasons.

They illegally occupy it and terrorize it through settlers

1 hour ago, Heaven said:

After the 7th invasion you can clearly see Gazans celebrating, cheering and even attacking innocent hostages. As you describe it, it can’t get more Red than that.

I said there are elements of Gazans that are Red and those are the ones you are talking about. I do not think they are a majority.

1 hour ago, Heaven said:

Also Gazans democratically elected Hamas so it means the majority are Red.

The election was 20 years ago and basically everyone under 38 was not eligble to vote. That is like 60% or more of the population there. Therefore, I cannot take it into account. It is another generatation. If you did a poll of the current Gaza population that voted for Hamas it is probably less than 30% considering you also had almost half voting for the more moderate Fatah party which is stage blue imo.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Karmadhi

[Leo Gura]

On 8/24/2026 at 3:26 PM, Heaven said:

@Leo Gura What’s your opinion on the Ceuta invasion? 

Don't know about it.

19 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

If caring about human rights and international law is a bias then yes i am biased. To me those are more important than how technology advanced or democratic a society is (and israel is not a real democracy imo).

Caring about understanding the situation.

[Stick]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't know about it.

Caring about understanding the situation.

I don't understand why everyone is so fucking stupid when its about israel and palestein. From what we know they are trying to kill each other and there is no reason for 3rd parties to show support for one or another.
As unbiased people we should stand for human rights which both sides have violated.
something something......... truth is the highest value.......... something something

[Karmadhi]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Caring about understanding the situation.

To me Israel is mostly on the wrong here

That is my understanding of it

Not saying Palestine has 0 faults but on their side it is mostly stubborness and lack of realism than anything else

You yourself have written long texts about how Israel has ethnically cleansed Palestine, manipulated western audiences into supporting them and that they are expansionist

Even if I just go by what you have said it is enough to see the situation

Your only legit criticism of Palestine as a whole entity I see is them being stubborn and wanting 1 state and all of that stuff which I wrote in my answer above

You also criticised Hamas attacks but that is so common sense that it is bad I see no point to discuss it in detail

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Stick said:

From what we know they are trying to kill each other and there is no reason for 3rd parties to show support for one or another.

1 side is trying to kill the other side for land and the other for survival

Not the same situation

This is not a typical war where 2 sides fight for resources or greed

It is 1 side fighting for greed and 1 for survival

Not to mention 90% of all human suffering has been on 1 side here

That is why stage green peeps like me and raze get angry about it

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Stick said:

I don't understand why everyone is so fucking stupid when its about israel and palestein. From what we know they are trying to kill each other and there is no reason for 3rd parties to show support for one or another.

But it's not equal. Israel is trying to ethnically cleanse Palestine. It's a sick deliberate project.

What makes this situation so confusing is that the higher developed people are trying to exterminate the less developed people. That's counter-intuitive. You'd expect the opposite.

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

To me Israel is mostly on the wrong here

Yes, of course.

But then there's understanding why others are misunderstanding. Which bias obstructs the understanding of.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Karmadhi]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What makes this situation so confusing is that the higher developed people are trying to exterminate the less developed people. That's counter-intuitive. You'd expect the opposite.

Because desire to exterminate is based on moral development, not technological or even political development

You can be democratic and genocidal

The Nazis were some of the most technologically advanced nations at the time, with strong burocratic institutions and had many poets, artists etc live at the time. 

Yet they were arguably more genocidal than some tribe in India

Desire to genocide is linked to moral development

Israel moral development is not higher than that of Palestine

But their technological development, political etc is higher

Or if the moral development is higher, they have a glitch level of racism that clouds their judgement

If you de-humanize a group of people enough, they will start to be seen as something that even normal people would be fine with killing.

Which is how you have Israelis being pro LGBT, pro animal rights etc yet for Palestinians they have genocidal views.

Edited 2 hours ago by Karmadhi