The Michael Sartain podcast

[LordFall]

Highly recommend watching this podcast to learn concepts that aren't known widely in the dating industry, you will learn more watching this than from Mark Manson or other random red pill influencers. What Sartain teaches on game and social circle is world class, it's how I throw a lot of my events alongside what his old business partner Luke teaches. Sartain has learned all the lessons from RSD and refined it into an impressive evolution of game and business. 

Some good highlights from his game philosophy:

- Female friends will help you get laid and also protect you from toxic men in your life as they will tell you if they talk shit behind your back.

- You should avoid overtly flirting with women in your social circle besides fun teasing and flirting as it's a reaping too soon type of thing and it'll damage the integrity of it and also prevent you from greater opportunities in the future. 

- Using your girlfriend for threesomes is extremely effective and they talk about how to do it without being creepy or boring. 

A few other good episodes worth watching are his pod with Ryan Pownall, Hoe Math, Casey Zander, Orion Taraban and his own personal inspiration Dr David Buss

Edited 1 hour ago by LordFall

[Raze]

Sartain is biased and he never learned from RSD. 

He markets himself as anti cold approach, but then teaches it in his program.

He says you shouldn’t show intent, most guys fail because they don’t show intent.

His preselection understanding isn’t good either, just posting awkward photos of yourself on Instagram surrounded by women who clearly don’t like you isn’t good preselection.

 

 

Edited 52 minutes ago by Raze

[LordFall]

5 minutes ago, Raze said:

Sartain is biased and he never learned from RSD. 

 

In what way is he biased? Sartain has been affiliated with RSD since 2012 and possibly before that when he was a club promoter in Vegas and helped them get access to clubs there for their bootcamps. 

Edited 50 minutes ago by LordFall

[Raze]

6 minutes ago, LordFall said:

In what way is he biased? Sartain has been affiliated with RSD since 2012 and possibly before that when he was a club promoter in Vegas and helped them get access to clubs there for their bootcamps. 

I edited my comment.

He worked with them but never learned from them. He’s biased because he rejects inner game, cold approach, direct game, and other forms of social circle. He expects people to dm thousands of women to host a party. That is an unwieldy form of social circle. And social circle won’t work unless you are already moderately proficient with game and social skills.

Edited 44 minutes ago by Raze

[LordFall]

Yes he teaches a form of advanced game that includes cold approach as a means of fueling your circle but not as a core philosophy like some pickup teachers have. 

5 minutes ago, Raze said:

I edited my comment.

He worked with them but never learned from them. He’s biased because he rejects inner game, cold approach, direct game, and other forms of social circle. He expects people to dm thousands of women to host a party. 

Not thousands you can usually get away with dming a couple hundred, it's quite easy and you get to meet the hottest women in your city on your terms this way. I've been consistently using this method to host my own events for the past few years.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq3Ys7vvAAa/

I think it's helpful to have a base of cold approach before you get into social circle game so you understand escalation otherwise you'll just host events and never get laid but once you do this is the way to 5x the caliber of the women you have access to. 

If you solely master cold approach you'll hit a point like @Zenterus where your ability to seduce women is quite strong but the systems of your life are not matching your level of success in that area. 

Edited 39 minutes ago by LordFall

[Raze]

And Dan Bilzerian, hoe math, Casey Zander, and Orion Taraban are all either mentally ill, grifters, or know nothing about game, or all of the above. They aren’t good resources.

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, LordFall said:

 

Not thousands you can usually get away with dming a couple hundred, it's quite easy and you get to meet the hottest women in your city on your terms this way. I've been consistently using this method to host my own events for the past few years.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq3Ys7vvAAa/

 

If the average guy does that he is just going to be used by women and look try hard.

[LordFall]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

And Dan Bilzerian, hoe math, Casey Zander, and Orion Taraban are all either mentally ill, grifters, or know nothing about game, or all of the above. They aren’t good resources.

I think some of these guys indeed have blindspots that we should take into consideration but listening to them in long form podcasts and learning from their strongsuits I would highly recommend. 

Can you share more of your own dating journey and your results? I think perhaps you are over emphasizing the negatives, I'm curious where that comes from. 

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

If the average guy does that he is just going to be used by women and look try hard.

Well you use hosting events as part of your strategy, to raise your status and the women you have access to. If you do it the right way you'll get paid for it as well so it's a great skillset to learn. You shouldn't be used by women it should be a value exchange that enhances both of your lives.

If you do it without strategy then yes you can spend thousands of dollars and not accomplish much. 

Edited 34 minutes ago by LordFall