Leo, You are Living Under a Rock When It Comes to AI

[ZenSwift]

No AI has Nous (the faculty of mind necessary for understanding what is true, real, and intelligible). Nous is a core feature of intelligence. 

Ai appears to drown in formalism.

[CosmicExplorer]

ARC-AGI-3 has just been solved by GPT-6 Astra. Insane. Humans on this benchmark get ~50%. Astra, even without harness (if I understand it correctly), gets 62.7%.

You can not just brute force this benchmark. It very heavily penalizes taking too many steps. I honestly thought it'll take a minimum of 2 years for AI without harness to get better on it than humans are, it took 5 months and a week.

[OBEler]

So Leo you were wrong. AGI is already here. 

but no one cares.

Edited 21 hours ago by OBEler

[CosmicExplorer]

If it's technically not AGI yet, it's damn close to it. It's very hard to find anything right now that GPT-6 is worse at than an average human.

 

[OBEler]

@CosmicExplorer there is no technical definition of agi like it must have this architecture, that context size. all that matters how it performs.

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, CosmicExplorer said:

If it's technically not AGI yet, it's damn close to it. It's very hard to find anything right now that GPT-6 is worse at than an average human.

It cannot walk over to me and tie my shoelaces (it does not have embodiment). It does not yet have true agency (self-running for perpetuity, which requires control of hardware production and renewal). My bar for AGI is embodiment and true agency. When people think of the singularity, they think of robots hooking us up to the Matrix (like in the Matrix), or taking over all forms of manufacturing and production. You won't have that without embodiment and true agency.

[oOo]

GPT 6 is not AGI.

AI companies naturally have huge competition right now.

This creates perverse incentives.

Perverse incentives lead to a manipulation of language.

In this case they are using a "reverse-forwards" language technique.

This involves speaking to a child on their level and pretending as an adult or in this case, an authority, that the thing that makes up the present day myth in their imagination, is here. Then the adult pretends to go through the same learning process as the child in discovering that it isn't here, and just how far off it is, if it ever could hypothetically come around the corner.

Reverse-forwards language techniques, which I am inventing on the fly in this comment but its obvious this is what is happening, are a form of sophisticated mirroring in which a person, in our case a predator, empathises with the inner world of another individual, aka its prey, and in our case what the general population are programmed to believe, in order to capitalise on the outcomes that incentivised the predator to use the technique in the first place, in this case, competitive positioning, market share and societal influence. 

That said, Astra is expected to be rolled out pretty soon.

I am looking forward to it.

Lastly, if anyone wants advice on what you should be doing with your life because you've come to understand that you're likely to become replaced by AI, become a designer specific to your niche leveraged by AI. That's the job category that has the most flexibility across many industries simultaneously, inclusive of the arts but not in their totality. I think especially in film and music, we're going to see creativity we've never seen before because the people that are extremely creative in other fields are going to also be able to spend time on film and music, and they're going to be the people that actually max out human-AI paired capability on creative productions in those areas, not the people that haven't prioritised the growth in their creativity despite spending a lot of time trying to master their field. 

I know discourse contained within cultures present intersubjective reality cross employment, future financial stability and a general purpose driven Life is filled with a lot of fear and uncertainty right now. But if you really want to get ahead among the noise, this is the spark I'd be focusing on, and eventually, it'll become the fire that sets you apart. 

Rock out.

[OBEler]

@oOo Just see the benchmark results and what's it capable. Especially in Mathematics, solving puzzles no mathematician on earth can do. 

I would also call that AGI. 

Competition was from the beginning. But AGI was never spoken about. 

Edited 1 hour ago by OBEler

[Carl-Richard]

23 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@oOo Just see the benchmark results and what's it capable.

Me reading a benchmark result is like a third grader reading a tax return. Wtf am I supposed to gather from that? Yeah ok we see a graph and different models scoring differently on that graph. Ok: what does the graph actually mean? I have no idea. What does the scale of the graph entail (other than "it did x% success")? No idea.

You could Rick-and-Morty it out for me and it would be just as insightful: they scored 100% dinglybops while the other models scored 55% squirblybops. That means the next models will probably score 55% sqooblebops on the sqoodle test.

Edited 44 minutes ago by Carl-Richard

[oOo]

56 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@oOo Just see the benchmark results and what's it capable. Especially in Mathematics, solving puzzles no mathematician on earth can do. 

I would also call that AGI. 

Competition was from the beginning. But AGI was never spoken about. 

I'll possibly give an update in the next few days, I may even receive Astra in the next few hours.

That said, one peculiar absence in what are meant to be sophisticated discussions on the reasoning ability of AI models so far more broadly beyond this forum as well, is distinctions between types and sub-types of reasoning. A conversation around AGI of which no less must include; especially when we're judging from the perspective of higher mathematical breakthroughs using AI and determining how narrow vs broad AI's capabilities in higher mathematics actually are. Predictive processing is the main category of reasoning that emphasised in models at present, however not only are the models absent of development in broader reasoning, its only a sub-type of predictive processing that's dominant in this picture of what AI models, inclusive of Astra, are presently capable of, or not. By predictive processing I don't mean that these models only predict, but that prediction-heavy abilities remain the dominant developmental pathway, with broader forms of reasoning increasingly developing through their overlap with it rather than being equally developed and tested independently. Although I am yet to try Astra, one particular area of reasoning I noticed Sol 5.6 was surprisingly terrible at was strategic reasoning in novel situational contexts; sometimes in spite of what you would think the model would receive a lot of training on. I was far better every-time; it was, unmistakably unimpressive. I will take Astra through the ropes more rigoorusly than Sol 5.6 when I get the roll-out, that'll be interesting regardless @OBEler . 

Edited 12 minutes ago by oOo