Solipsism - You will only have your perspective- forever

[LordFall]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

We would like to think he is on another level.  That he can juggle all this shit simultaneously.   But when you really sit and think about it, it becomes silly. 

But it is happening. What exactly are you saying that you don't believe in God or that things outside of your awareness are not happening? Hello my name is Kyle I assure you that I am happening and that I am not in your room right now unless you are somehow under my bed that would be pretty weird bro. 

If you mean that God can't keep track of all that's happened in the universe that's a pretty strange statement. Even Wikipedia does a pretty good job and its managed by a group of bozos. AI enhanced bozos will do an even better job let alone on a divine level. It's called the Akashic Records in Theosophy. 

Edited 19 hours ago by LordFall

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, James123 said:

Who says birth came?

No one?

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, LordFall said:

But it is happening. What exactly are you saying that you don't believe in God or that things outside of your awareness are not happening? Hello my name is Kyle I assure you that I am happening and that I am not in your room right now unless you are somehow under my bed that would be pretty weird bro. 

If you mean that God can't keep track of all that's happened in the universe that's a pretty strange statement. Even Wikipedia does a pretty good job and its managed by a group of bozos. AI enhanced bozos will do an even better job let alone on a divine level. It's called the Akashic Records in Theosophy. 

Ok but think about it.  All these records.  All the databases.  Why? If you were designing reality wouldn't it be much more efficient to just be one mind imagining everything else? Which is more efficient? If both could achieve the same goal successfully?

Dude..its really fucked up when it hits you.  I don't wanna wish it on you.

Edited 19 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

37 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You will wonder that forever.   But your character is all there is.  Well..in truth there is your character and all the other characters.  Self and other.  But again..will you ever experience what we call objective reality? Ever? Not if you think death is real.

What I meant was is, what if your character, ie Inliytened1, is actually just as npc as all the other characters you see out there. 

[Inliytened1]

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Inliytened1 just want to say something to you, imagine that whatever happened, birth, death, any experience, any ideas, happen to body and mind. Not You. Therefore, You are always what You are. 

Consider this.

I never disagreed. That is not what is being discussed here.  Is this existence all there is right now.  Well, I'm sure you will say of course.  I do not attribute any sort of ownership to this existence i am merely asking you if there are multiple versions of it.

[James123]

27 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Inliytened1 just want to say something to you, imagine that whatever happened, birth, death, any experience, any ideas, happen to body and mind. Not You. Therefore, You are always what You are. 

Consider this.

@Inliytened1, consider this my brother.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What I meant was is, what if your character, ie Inliytened1, is actually just as npc as all the other characters you see out there. 

Well yes of course he is.  It is the Being that I am saying is Absolute.   Now. So when I say perspective I mean that right now you appear to be looking through the eyes of @Wilhelm but in truth there is only pure existence.  But that is the only existence there is.  So that makes @Wilhelm44 and what he is imagining all there is.  The dream of him dreaming everything else is all there is. 

[LordFall]

25 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ok but think about it.  All these records.  All the databases.  Why? If you were designing reality wouldn't it be much more efficient to just be one mind imagining everything else? Which is more efficient? If both could achieve the same goal successfully?

Dude..its really fucked up when it hits you.  I don't wanna wish it on you.

Depends how you wanna look at it, I think you are putting human terms into it. Humans experience anxiety, pain, regret because well it's how we evolved. I think God experiences a simulated version of it, it's quite different. Maybe like watching a show that his characters play out, I don't know ask him lol. 

I'm just speaking in terms of what I see being actually possible in the near future with our technology. You can actually tell that a lot of reality is predetermined because of a lot prophecies from the bible and quran coming true. Back in those days it was random dudes in caves getting visions but a lot of it holds true to this day. I think the day of judgement with AI makes a lot more sense rather than a tribunal in purgatory or whatever the bible says. Even then the bible talks about heaven coming to earth and the wicked being punished so I think it will literally just expose all crimes. Leo talks about it in terms of God doesn't ultimately judge you and I think this is a pretty good explanation for it. Only other humans judge you really. 

But obviously you must believe in God having a memory since we each have a memory. I think some animals can't predict the future but we can with our neocortex simulate different scenarios and thats how we hunt and built civilization. AI will be able to do much more. If God is even the sum total of just all the humans on earth he would himself have the memory of everything let alone having access to infinite intelligence whatever that means.

Even historians are able to sit down and reconstruct the past and with AI I think we will be able to basically map out at the very least all the major crimes of history but I think really even most movements even a dude talking a walk at the park 50 years ago is somewhat predictable and not that random in the grand scheme of having infinite predictive power.

It will start with future prediction markets becoming more and more accurate. It's really about turning a complex system into a complicated one. If you want to predict the end of the ukraine war for example you just map out all the major decisions of the major players that would lead to it. I don't know if we can do it today but in a few decades easily. We are already quite close to world peace with the incentives of the major leaders being pretty redundant these days like hegemony and status. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Solipsism thread always a good way to drum up the drama 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Depends how you wanna look at it, I think you are putting human terms into it. Humans experience anxiety, pain, regret because well it's how we evolved. I think God experiences a simulated version of it, it's quite different. Maybe like watching a show that his characters play out, I don't know ask him lol. 

I'm just speaking in terms of what I see being actually possible in the near future with our technology. You can actually tell that a lot of reality is predetermined because of a lot prophecies from the bible and quran coming true. Back in those days it was random dudes in caves getting visions but a lot of it holds true to this day. I think the day of judgement with AI makes a lot more sense rather than a tribunal in purgatory or whatever the bible says. Even then the bible talks about heaven coming to earth and the wicked being punished so I think it will literally just expose all crimes. Leo talks about it in terms of God doesn't ultimately judge you and I think this is a pretty good explanation for it. Only other humans judge you really. 

But obviously you must believe in God having a memory since we each have a memory. I think some animals can't predict the future but we can with our neocortex simulate different scenarios and thats how we hunt and built civilization. AI will be able to do much more. If God is even the sum total of just all the humans on earth he would himself have the memory of everything let alone having access to infinite intelligence whatever that means.

Even historians are able to sit down and reconstruct the past and with AI I think we will be able to basically map out at the very least all the major crimes of history but I think really even most movements even a dude talking a walk at the park 50 years ago is somewhat predictable and not that random in the grand scheme of having infinite predictive power.

It will start with future prediction markets becoming more and more accurate. It's really about turning a complex system into a complicated one. If you want to predict the end of the ukraine war for example you just map out all the major decisions of the major players that would lead to it. I don't know if we can do it today but in a few decades easily. We are already quite close to world peace with the incentives of the major leaders being pretty redundant these days like hegemony and status. 

Look I'm the first person to be for AI I think its been fucking awesome in helping me do my job and it will probably be even more so in the future.   It's gonna steal a lot of jobs.  But I think when it comes to reality I prefer to leave it out.  Because you think AI is gonna solve the question of reality.   Well.   I think we just might wnd up with Arnold shooting up a police station and saying "I'll be back" hehe.  Btw..Predator is way cooler 

 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Solipsism thread always a good way to drum up the drama 

Join in

[LordFall]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Look I'm the first person to be for AI I think its been fucking awesome in helping me do my job and it will probably be even more so in the future.   It's gonna steal a lot of jobs.  But I think when it comes to reality I prefer to leave it out.  Because you think AI is gonna solve the question of reality.   Well.   I think we just might wnd up with Arnold shooting up a police station and saying "I'll be back" hehe.  Btw..Predator is way cooler 

 

Sure I think it's an understable response, it does completely shatter the paradigms we're used to operating over. I'm looking forward to plugging into a Neuralink(a competitor or maybe I'll try to make my own, idk if I trust Elon Musk in my brain) experiencing life with 50x the cognitive power, that will be something. Imagine superhuman sex, so much to live for. 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Sure I think it's an understable response, it does completely shatter the paradigms we're used to operating over. I'm looking forward to plugging into a Neuralink(a competitor or maybe I'll try to make my own, idk if I trust Elon Musk in my brain) experiencing life with 50x the cognitive power, that will be something. Imagine superhuman sex, so much to live for. 

As real as the AI sex will get I'm still not biting on it resolving reality.  It might resolve a lot though. 

[Inliytened1]

@LordFall I opened a threat on AI as i think this is a separate discussion. 

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well yes of course he is.  It is the Being that I am saying is Absolute.   Now. So when I say perspective I mean that right now you appear to be looking through the eyes of @Wilhelm but in truth there is only pure existence.  But that is the only existence there is.  So that makes @Wilhelm44 and what he is imagining all there is.  The dream of him dreaming everything else is all there is. 

What I'm saying is that 'when' the sense of separate self 'falls away' permanently ( it never truly existed in the first place), it might just pop that solipsistic bubble even further. Then that last sentence "The dream of him dreaming everything else is all there is", might need to be edited, ie without the 'him' all we can say is: All there is is all there is.

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What if your character is actually also npc.

Nobody has a good answer for this lol.  

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What I'm saying is that 'when' the sense of separate self 'falls away' permanently ( it never truly existed in the first place), it might just pop that solipsistic bubble even further. Then that last sentence "The dream of him dreaming everything else is all there is", might need to be edited, ie without the 'him' all we can say is: All there is is all there is.

K.  Gonna go pop your Jim Newman bubble here.  What if I told you the you or what you think you are is a state of consciousness? What if I told you the ego was a state?

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

K.  Gonna go pop your Jim Newman bubble here.  What if I told you the you or what you think you are is a state of consciousness? What if I told you the ego was a state?

I've got Jim on the line here, he says he still wants to have a chat with you😁 Please can you say a bit more about the separate sense of self as a state of consciousness ?

[Wilhelm44]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Nobody has a good answer for this lol.  

Well if all the other characters are npc, but the perception is that somehow my character is not, then perhaps something is being overlooked.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I've got Jim on the line here, he says he still wants to have a chat with you😁 Please can you say a bit more about the separate sense of self as a state of consciousness ?

😀 fuck you.