If you had to pay for AI access, on a session basis?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Would you use it less? Would you use it more? 

Would it change how you use it? 

Would you be more intentional in your use? 

Edited 13 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joshe]

Would use it a lot but not as frivolously. People are already preparing for and figuring out how to “tokenmax”. 

My current monthly usage would likely cost somewhere between 5 and 10k, which I’m getting for $200. But the labs offset this because most users are not heavy users like me. Power users are factored into their current pricing. Based on what I've read, these labs are not losing money on inference/compute - they're already profitable there. 

Some models are really cheap and the best models are crazy expensive. If prices go up, usage would require more effort to match the task or inquiry to the appropriate model. Some tasks and inquiries could be handled by cheaper models fine, so you’d have to understand the various model’s strengths and weaknesses and route appropriately. 

Interesting finding published the other day that if you take a screenshot of text and send the screenshot image instead of actual text, the model consumes far fewer tokens, which is really counter-intuitive.

The DeepSeek lab found that by using images instead of text, you cut token use by up to 10x.
 

Also, it's not as expensive as I thought. Google's Gemini Flash is super cheap. 

If you do 250k tokens in and 1 million out, which is a deep work session, it's would cost you 65 cents and Google profits from that.

Edited 7 hours ago by Joshe

[LordFall]

I would use a cheap or free AI to come up with the perfect prompt for the expensive model. This is what I do for the website building AIs like vercel v0 they are like $1 per prompt and you need multiple to correct stuff sometimes so i explain to Gemini what I'm trying to do and then it gives me an elaborate one to not waste my tokens. 

If all of AI was pay to play I would still use it I would just like write a whole page of stuff and get it to answer it instead of just quering it endlessly like I do now. I think you're unto something, they are talking about increasing the cost of AI big time. Apparently that's what the AI bubble popping will consist of, the free AI business model will collapse and only very expensive plans will become viable now so free users will get locked out. 

[AerisVahnEphelia]

I m already paying gpt so, I guess for access to 100 prompt a day I'll pay 25$ a month.

[enchanted]

Great question and trust me @Natasha Tori Maru we are paying for it every time we use it. Tech billionaires aren't the type to give away free goodies to their subjects that they rule over. We pay for it in pollution, data, attention span, Internet bills....etc. 

That being said. I LOVE AI. I use constantly to learn languages, interpret difficult texts, and for all sort of projects around the house. The future is awesome!!!!

Edited 7 hours ago by enchanted

[enchanted]

1 hour ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

I m already paying gpt so, I guess for access to 100 prompt a day I'll pay 25$ a month.

What's the advantage of paying for it? 

[Elliott]

I don't even like it for free. I'm not a professional programmer or graphic designer, I'm sure I would use it for that, but I'm doing manual programming and not thinking thrice about it. They steal your IP.

Edited 7 hours ago by Elliott

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, enchanted said:

I use constantly to learn languages, interpret difficult texts, and for all sort of projects around the house. The future is awesome!!!!

Mind sharing what you use it for around the house?

"Learn languages", why use AI?

Edited 7 hours ago by Elliott

[Joshe]

43 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Mind sharing what you use it for around the house?

I could think of some interesting use cases. Imagine if you took an aerial drone shot and mapped out dimensions of your entire property and house with all the rooms and gave it pictures and measurements of your entire space, along with blueprints and maps of your electrical and plumbing. 

"What is the shortest route to running a CAT5 cable from my router to my accessory building and how many feet of it do I need?"

"I want to install a fence with 4x4 posts and welded wire. How many linear feet do I need to span the perimeter and how many 4x4s do I need if I space them 6ft apart? How much welded wire do I need and how many bags of concrete with 2 bags per post? Check Lowes or Home Depot for current pricing and give me an estimate for how much it's going to cost. Then use python to create an accurate diagram with all the posts in place." 

Pretty helpful. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Joshe

[Hojo]

No

[Basman]

I barely use it even when it's free. 

It's more like stop shoving it into my face constantly. My tablet updated recently and they they changed the power button to some AI shit 🤦‍♂️ Thanks Google. Thanks Mark. 

[enchanted]

6 hours ago, Elliott said:

Mind sharing what you use it for around the house?

"Learn languages", why use AI?

Literally any question you have on how to fix or replace something around the house. It'll give you the products and how to do it. You should always double check it, but AI brings up things that you wouldn't even know to ask if you are a complete beginner. 

COOKING: no longer do you need to scroll through endless irrelevant stories and information and advertising from cooking websites. You can ask AI to make a you a meal with ingredients you have, that contains a certain amount of protein and carbohydrates or any other nutrient you want.

Why not use AI for languages? It can give a mini lesson or explain something difficult. Its like a free tutor that knows EVERYTHING that is currently known to humanity. ALL WITHOUT THE PESKY ADVERTISEMENTS AND COOKIES AND PAYWALLS OF WEBSITES!

[Elliott]

29 minutes ago, enchanted said:

Literally any question you have on how to fix or replace something around the house. It'll give you the products and how to do it. You should always double check it, but AI brings up things that you wouldn't even know to ask if you are a complete beginner. 

COOKING: no longer do you need to scroll through endless irrelevant stories and information and advertising from cooking websites. You can ask AI to make a you a meal with ingredients you have, that contains a certain amount of protein and carbohydrates or any other nutrient you want.

Why not use AI for languages? It can give a mini lesson or explain something difficult. Its like a free tutor that knows EVERYTHING that is currently known to humanity. ALL WITHOUT THE PESKY ADVERTISEMENTS AND COOKIES AND PAYWALLS OF WEBSITES!

Do you use voice, or you type in all this information? Use photos for ingredients?

Edited 24 minutes ago by Elliott