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[AION]

Even when fully healthy it can be dangerous. Psychedelics are like an atom bomb for your mind. It can destroy the bad structures and rubble which is good but it always destroys some good structures too. I know some people who have gone on their psychedelic arch and they lost their sharpness, creativity and fire and turned into Frankenstein's reiterating their small minds/worlds.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, AION said:

Even when fully healthy it can be dangerous.

And that has been plenty disclosed too.

There is never enough disclaimers for fools. This work cannot be fool-proof.

You can't talk a reckless person out of being reckless.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Joseph Maynor]

I think there is a lot of speculation happening because we do not know what he was doing or not doing.

[AION]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

And that has been plenty disclosed too.

There is never enough disclaimers for fools.

There are not a lot of good examples of ethical use of psychedelics. I know some psychedelic champions on youtube and their lives all turned sour to say it politely. Just saying I said so is not enough. They have to become the living example like good leaders/parents/gurus should be. 

[AION]

I just looked up the guy that was a major champion of psychedelics and look at his situation right now, posted 1 month ago. And this is his latest video:

So sad. And somehow he thinks his house burning down is god's work. That is magical thinking 101.  That is like one of the biggest trade marks of bad spirituality.

Apparently he couldn't find a new home, because the video is still up so he is basically homeless right now with a bunch of kids.

Edited 1 hour ago by AION

[Natasha Tori Maru]

35 minutes ago, AION said:

Even when fully healthy it can be dangerous. Psychedelics are like an atom bomb for your mind. It can destroy the bad structures and rubble which is good but it always destroys some good structures too. 

You are making shit up to support your argument. 

Present some evidence that psychedelics always destroy good structures of the brain, please.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AION]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You are making shit up to support your argument. 

Present some evidence that psychedelics always destroy good structures of the brain, please.

What kind of evidence do you want?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, AION said:

What kind of evidence do you want?

Anything will do, other than you making up stuff randomly to try to push disinformation narratives.

A study, some research, some sort of consensus that illustrates psychedelics always causing damage to good structures of of the brain.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[AION]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Anything will do, other than you making up stuff randomly to try to push disinformation narratives.

A study, some research, some sort of consensus that illustrates psychedelics always causing damage to good structures of of the brain.

I didn't say always though. Nor did I make a scientific claim of some sorts.

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, AION said:

There are not a lot of good examples of ethical use of psychedelics.

That's just not true.

Many people have used them responsibly. Terrence McKenna, Dennis McKenna, Martin Ball, Joe Rogan, and many others who you just don't know because this is a niche and taboo field.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, AION said:

I just looked up the guy that was a major champion of psychedelics

He started as a drug addict. He did many drugs in reckless ways.

His problem is not psychedelics but addiction in general.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, AION said:

I didn't say always though. Nor did I make a scientific claim of some sorts.

 

50 minutes ago, AION said:

Even when fully healthy it can be dangerous. Psychedelics are like an atom bomb for your mind. It can destroy the bad structures and rubble which is good but it always destroys some good structures too. I know some people who have gone on their psychedelic arch and they lost their sharpness, creativity and fire and turned into Frankenstein's reiterating their small minds/worlds.

??????

You did say it - it's fine to take it back or simply reply it wasn't what you meant.

[AION]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

??????

You did say it - it's fine to take it back or simply reply it wasn't what you meant.

Ok but it is not a scientific claim. I don't go around doing science on everything I say. And neither do you. That would be weird.  

Edited 1 hour ago by AION

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, AION said:

Ok but it is not a scientific claim. I don't go around doing science on everything I say. And neither do you. That would be weird.  

I consider this you taking back the original statement.

[AION]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I consider this you taking back the original statement.

Not at all. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AION Sweet, then I consider the statement disinformation and not grounded in any sort of fact, evidence or reality (maybe just your own).

Cheers for clarifying.

[AION]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@AION Sweet, then I consider the statement disinformation and not grounded in any sort of fact, evidence or reality (maybe just your own).

Cheers for clarifying.

Just because it was not a scientific claim doesn’t make it disinformation babe 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Sorry to hear that. Alcohol can be wicked.

 

I wouldn't trade the wisdom gained from it or go back and change anything.  But yes because it loosens your inhibitions you are willing to take more chances.  But engaging in danger is the thrill of it all.  And I'm sure part of him was a thrill seeker.  By the way I do recall a certain experience you had in a bath tub where you came pretty close to death yourself.   

And for an enlightened person this type of thrill seeking is even more enticing - to taunt death or to taunt the ending of fhe dream.  But once you get older you would much rather just lead a nice quiet life.

Edited 15 minutes ago by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

By the way I do recall a certain experience you had in a bath tub where you came pretty close to death yourself.

That was death as a function of mystical state, not a physical danger.

But yes, psychedelics can be physically dangerous.