How do NDEs fit into Leo's framework?

[Loveeee]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A normie certianly would be too afraid and clueless to choose it. The question is, Will it be forced on them anyway via death?

But even you said it gets boring 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

But even you said it gets boring 

Yes, but with death you don't have much choice. Death forces you to go where you would never willingly go.

You can be formless for eternity and then still incarnate once you're bored. You can sorta have both things, but not at once. Since you were just done with being human, it makes sense that formlessness would be appealing for awhile. Do you really want to immediately incarnate as another human? I doubt it.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It requires death!

Reachable with psychedelics as you said? Even you still haven't though, how

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Reachable with psychedelics as you said?

Not pure Infinity Forever.

The highest levels of consciousness cannot be reached while limited by a human body/mind.

You'd have to become truly completely formless. I have not done that.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Loveeee]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Do you really want to immediately incarnate as another human? I doubt it.

My human is too limited and infinite love is too unlimited I want something in the middle, I want powers like imagining my 10th anniversary and be there, like astral projection or shifting

And I don't wanna wait to die for that

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

The highest levels of consciousness cannot be reached while limited by a human body/mind.

I mean isn't tripping the undoing of that limit to some degree ? Plus there is no body/mind so how is that a factor 

But surely you've had states that had no trace of body or mind 

Edited 2 hours ago by Loveeee

[Clarence]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

A normie certianly would be too afraid and clueless to choose it. The question is, Will it be forced on them anyway via death?

I don't think it will be. From everything I've read on the topic, nothing is forced, but guidance is given.

You're a really rare case, Leo. I understand it can feel right for you.

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But more importantly, you don't need all that crap. There are much more profound states of consciousness than jerking off your grandfather.

Maybe you don't value that kind of connection as much as I do.

The love I feel for certain people is so deep and profound that reuniting with them after death will be an extremely profound experience. All limits will have disappeared, we'll be able to fully see through each other, and we'll know who we truly are.

Experiencing profound metaphysical love with an "other" qualifies, to me, as an extremely profound experience.

I don't think there's any need to talk down on it, even if it doesn't appeal to you.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Clarence said:

I don't think there's any need to talk down on it, even if it doesn't appeal to you.

You are still talking about human love. That's fine. But there is a higher level.

I talk down at it because otherwise you will get trapped in it.

Edited 42 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Clarence said:

nothing is forced,

Death

[Clarence]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are still talking about human love. That's fine. But there is a higher level.

I talk down at it because otherwise you will get trapped in it.

I'm not talking about human love.

I've accessed that kind of love while on psychedelics and through deep intuition. It's metaphysical, not human.

Obviously, you don't have to believe me.

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Death

How can death be forced if incarnation itself is a choice? The one that incarnates knows that a finite life won't last forever. It's part of game and the illusion. Forgetting about it doesn't mean it isn't chosen.