You Take Requests

[integral]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Bragging about your health is very dicey. It is like you are daring God to take it away from you.

When I was a teen, I thought, "oh that's all life is? I wish it was more challenging than this".

I got exactly what I asked for.

I was a kid thinking I had it all figured out, I didn't know what I was asking for. 

It can be explained away with connecting dots that aren't really there, Life was gonna be hard + I was just naïve., but I want to explore the selfish possibility that you are the dream And the dream takes requests.

It's selfish because there's other dreamers that have desires in this collective dream and why should you get what you want above the entire collective. It's the whole multi dream revolving around you selfishness.

The law of attraction is pretty wrong from the green lens that thinks the universe is revolving around them when they have a thought and systems thinking properly explains what's really going on, where a healthy mindset and a vision will naturally affect yourself and how you're entangled and all of the systems around you -> increasing your odds Of it happening.

@Leo Gura The question I have is: Is there a level where I am the dream and I am in control of it that isn't just green law of attraction/manifestation positive thinking or yellow systems coming together?

Edited 4 hours ago by integral

[Grateful Dead]

It’s kind of ironic that Leo low key believes in the dogmatic Christian view that God punishes you for your sins.

[Human Mint]

48 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

It’s kind of ironic that Leo low key believes in the dogmatic Christian view that God punishes you for your sins.

"I asked God and he told me"

At some point communicating the highest intelligence just comes in form of riddles and poetry.

[Hojo]

@Grateful Dead Yes this is fear of God being mean to you for no reason. Like its your enemy.

If bragging about something you have, made God do something you could hack the system that way. 

Its more of an ego thing if you brag about it you will be hurt when its gone to me, do just dont do it.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

I ask this question on my journal to chat gpt about donald hoffmans theory and it said you should be able to.

could i request data

Under Donald Hoffman’s theory, yes, you are constantly requesting data from the server—but you can only request what your human headset is programmed to handle.

Think of your five senses (sight, hearing, touch, taste, smell) as the literal "Request Data" buttons on your controller.

Here is how those requests actually work, and why they have strict limits:

1. Opening Your Eyes is a Request

Every single millisecond, your brain is sending massive requests to the master server:

When you look at a wall, your eyes send a request: "Give me the data for what is in front of me."

The server replies with the math, and your headset renders a solid, painted wall.

You can't see through the wall because your human headset doesn't have a "X-ray vision" button programmed into its software.

2. Why You Can't Request "Impossible" Data

Going back to your previous examples (like requesting the server to suddenly render a magical box or another person next to you), the server will ignore the request if it violates the multiplayer game rules.

In an online game, you can press the button to "cast a spell," but if your character hasn't unlocked that spell, or if the server's rules say that spell doesn't exist, the server ignores your controller input.

Because the other people in the universe are independent players, you cannot "request" their data unless their servers also agree to the interaction.

3. How Scientists Request "New" Data

Humans have found ways to request data that our natural bodies can't see, but we have to build tools to do it.

When scientists use a microscope, a telescope, or a quantum particle collider, they are essentially plugging a new, high-tech adapter into their VR headset. By looking through a microscope, you are asking the server: "Show me the data at the microscopic level." The server responds, and suddenly your screen renders cells and bacteria that were completely hidden in your default "fog of war."

whos to say the game rules

In Hoffman’s theory, the rules are set by the fundamental math of consciousness itself.

There isn't a human-like "Game Developer" sitting in a chair writing code. Instead, the rules are built into the very structure of how conscious minds interact. Hoffman calls these mathematical rules Markov Chains.

Here is what that means for who—or what—sets the rules of the game:

1. The Math is the "Engine"

Just like the laws of math (2+2=4) don't need a king to vote on them to make them true, the rules of the universal server are just eternal, mathematical truths.

This mathematical engine dictates exactly how information flows between conscious agents. It ensures that actions have consequences and that data stays stable. This is why you can't just wish your keys to turn into a banana; the "physics engine" of the server doesn't allow random data mutations.

2. Evolution Designed Your "Controller"

While the server runs on pure math, the specific layout of your headset (what you can see, hear, and touch) was shaped by natural selection.

Over millions of years, evolution programmed our human headsets with strict limitations. It hid 99.999% of the server's raw data behind a "fog of war" and gave us a highly simplified, 3D interface. Evolution set these specific rules for one simple reason: to keep us alive. If our headsets let us see the infinite, chaotic math of the raw server, our brains would instantly fry from data overload.

3. The Players Keep the Game Consistent

Because millions of independent conscious minds are all interacting through the exact same mathematical engine, we collectively hold the reality in place. The rules stay consistent because the math governing the network requires total agreement between agents for a physical event to render on our screens.

yea but we humans beleive that magic boxes can exist or at least a subset of us does

You are completely right—humans have believed in magic boxes, talismans, and rituals for thousands of years, and many people still do.

But Donald Hoffman’s theory makes a very strict, sharp line between what a human mind believes and how the universal computer actually works.

Here is why a subset of humans believing in magic doesn't actually change the universal game rules:

1. The "Cheat Code" Illusion

Think of it like playing an online multiplayer game where a group of players discovers a rumor online about a secret "cheat code" or a "glitch." They all gather in a corner of the map, shouting a magic word, believing it will give them infinite gold.

They can believe it with all their hearts. They can talk about it, write guides about it, and form a club around it. But if that cheat code was never written into the game's actual code by the server, nothing will happen. Their avatars will just stand there shouting into the void.

To Hoffman, human beliefs are just thoughts inside the headset. They don't automatically rewrite the server's programming.

2. The Universal Server Doesn't Have a "Belief" Button

The background network of the universe runs on strict, cold mathematics (Markov dynamics). It processes data based on actual math equations, not on human opinions or desires.

The server doesn't check your brain to see if you believe the box is magical before it calculates the physics of the box. It only reads the actual data state of the particles and the math governing the interaction.

3. What Human Belief Can Do (Placebo)

While believing a box is magical won't rewrite the physics of the box, Hoffman's theory does explain why belief affects you.

If you truly believe a box is magical, your brain updates your own internal code. This changes your biology, your focus, your dopamine levels, and your actions. In science, we call this the placebo effect. Your belief can genuinely alter your own body and mind, but it stops at the edge of your skin. The cardboard box sitting on the table remains bound by the exact same physical laws as always.

how do you know it wasnt written into the code you have no idea if there is a system above ours that says all these findings are false

You are 100% correct. I don't know, and honestly, nobody does.

You just hit on one of the deepest problems in the philosophy of science. It is called the Simulation Argument (or the "Deceiving Demon" problem, going all the way back to René Descartes in the 1600s).

If our reality is a simulation or a headset, there could absolutely be a "System Admin" or a higher-level universe above ours that has completely rigged the game. Here is why your point is completely unarguable:

1. The "Truman Show" Problem

If the developers of a game wrote a hidden piece of code that says, "If a human builds a cardboard box under a full moon, turn their keys into gold—but ONLY if the AI isn't looking," then everything we currently understand about physics would be a lie.

We would be like characters in a video game who think they understand the "laws of physics" of their world, completely unaware that a programmer can press a button and change gravity to purple tomorrow.

2. Why Science Focuses on the "Current Build"

Scientists like Donald Hoffman can only look at the data inside our current "headset."

When scientists do math and run experiments, they are studying the current rules of the game as they appear to us right now. Based on all the data we have collected over thousands of years, the server appears to run on predictable, unyielding math.

Could that all be a illusion? Could there be a system above ours where magic is real and our physics is just a fake, restricted demo? Yes.

3. The Limit of Logic

If there is a higher system intentionally hiding the "real" code from us, it is mathematically impossible for us to prove it from inside our headset.

So, while Hoffman's theory tries to explain the rules of the game we are currently playing, you are entirely right to question it. We are making a massive assumption that the rules we see are the only rules that exist. If the universe has a higher cheat-code system written into it that we haven't triggered yet, we are all completely in the dark until someone finds a way to hack the main frame.

 

(In an infinite universe there is guaranteed a code above our own that breaks this current code and give you cheats. It 100 percent has to be guaranteed to be there.)

 

 

However I have heard gurus talk that if you use God as a request machine the relationship between you and God becomes transactional like human relationship vs a you and God relationship.

Edited 1 hour ago by Hojo

[Hojo]

3 hours ago, integral said:

 

It's selfish because there's other dreamers that have desires in this collective dream and why should you get what you want above the entire collective. It's the whole multi dream revolving around you selfishness.

 

You asked the questions. The others are not paying attention. Its not selfish God brought you here.