Talking to a friend with schizophrenia

[cistanche_enjoyer]

I used to be good friends with a guy until 5 years ago when he started abusing drugs, got into a car accident, and consequently developed schizophrenia. Didn't hear much from him ever since.

Recently his brother reached out to me asking if I could somehow help him. He said he is going through standard treatment for schizophrenia but it's not giving much results, although he seems to be a bit more stable. 

Now, I understand schizophrenia is connected to expanded consciousness that somehow cannot be controlled. Is there anything I could talk to him or help him with from a spiritual perspective? Things like balancing the chakras, controlling the flow of kundalini, grounding, etc. - do you have any experience in dealing with symptoms of schizophrenia from this perspective?

[James123]

10 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

I used to be good friends with a guy until 5 years ago when he started abusing drugs, got into a car accident, and consequently developed schizophrenia. Didn't hear much from him ever since.

Recently his brother reached out to me asking if I could somehow help him. He said he is going through standard treatment for schizophrenia but it's not giving much results, although he seems to be a bit more stable. 

Now, I understand schizophrenia is connected to expanded consciousness that somehow cannot be controlled. Is there anything I could talk to him or help him with from a spiritual perspective? Things like balancing the chakras, controlling the flow of kundalini, grounding, etc. - do you have any experience in dealing with symptoms of schizophrenia from this perspective?

Tell them to no matter what God is with him.

Don't tell him be to try to be strong, he will overcome from it. Just tell him that put full trust in God, let God take care of it. With this way internal dialogue within his mind will decrease.

Meanwhile telling to personal to be strong will make it worst, because internal dialogue will increase dramatically.

[Hojo]

All mental disorders are the same thing. Reacting to thought. People do it over and over and over and the thought loops keep repeating. This will happen so much that there is no silence in your mind. Then the people beleive that they are these thought loops. These thought loops are like demons. The person thinks they are the AI that their brain is running. When there is no silence you have lost yourself and you think you are the demons you create.

You can see it in police videos alot. When the person is freaking out they will say thats not happening and then the person will just automatically find another problem thats insane without thinking about it. Because thinking is not brain activity, silence of mind is thinking.

They are running over pre programmed thought loops that they are responding negatively too. They are mad. Thats what madness is. The only way to cure it is to lock them to a pole and leave them alone with 0 stimulation.

 

The universe can make up any perspective that is happening so people can enter states that they cant be saved from.

The only way you can be saved from these states is from God. As God will show the person the silent place they are exists still.

 

Your friend has to understand that hes not any of his thoughts and his thoughts are like AI programming, even the thought of reading or understanding and responding to what is being said. He need to detach what he thinks he is, If he can do this and remain unreactive to thought then it dosent matter what is happening you can make up whatever you want, And if you can make up whatever you want and still do negative things then you can tell him he needs to look at those thought patterns because why do you want that?

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[cetus]

2 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Now, I understand schizophrenia is connected to expanded consciousness that somehow cannot be controlled. Is there anything I could talk to him or help him with from a spiritual perspective? Things like balancing the chakras, controlling the flow of kundalini, grounding, etc. - do you have any experience in dealing with symptoms of schizophrenia from this perspective?

The short answer is no!  Why would you want to involve him with anything so esoteric as chakras or controlling flow of kundalini? You could end up doing way more harm than good. I suggest you don't try to fix anything and just be his old friend.

Edited 7 hours ago by cetus

[cistanche_enjoyer]

3 minutes ago, cetus said:

Why would you want to involve him with anything so esoteric as chakras or controlling flow of kundalini?

Maybe I didn't use the right words, but I understand that schizophrenia shares a lot of similarities with uncontrolled kundalini awakening. There is basically too much "life force" in a nervous system that is not primed to handle so much energy. 

I don't want to do more esoteric stuff - on the contrary, I was thinking to do more grounding stuff, like calming the nervous system, quieting the mind, opening the heart, etc.

Maybe the body can heal itself when the right conditions are present?

[cetus]

1 hour ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Maybe the body can heal itself when the right conditions are present?

Maybe it can but you don't know what those conditions are. How do you know he doesn't have a chemical imbalance? Or that his brainwaves are messed up? It's like if your car is not running right but you're not a mechanic. Trying to fix it could do more harm than good.

Edited 6 hours ago by cetus

[cetus]

@cistanche_enjoyer Just wondering. Have you talked to him recently?

[Breakingthewall]

Tell him the key is understanding his illness. Don't give him spiritual nonsense; instead, have him read documented stories like that of John Nash, Nobel Prize winner in mathematics, and others who have managed to live with schizophrenia.

[Sugarcoat]

Why you assuming you understand schizophrenia? 

[Razard86]

3 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

I used to be good friends with a guy until 5 years ago when he started abusing drugs, got into a car accident, and consequently developed schizophrenia. Didn't hear much from him ever since.

Recently his brother reached out to me asking if I could somehow help him. He said he is going through standard treatment for schizophrenia but it's not giving much results, although he seems to be a bit more stable. 

Now, I understand schizophrenia is connected to expanded consciousness that somehow cannot be controlled. Is there anything I could talk to him or help him with from a spiritual perspective? Things like balancing the chakras, controlling the flow of kundalini, grounding, etc. - do you have any experience in dealing with symptoms of schizophrenia from this perspective?

If he is already in an expanded state all he needs to do is ask Universal Mind to send help and it will.

A good antipsychotic I know of that helps with uncontrollable hallucinations is a drug called olazapine. Works wonders.

Enlightenment at the highest level is actually a controlled schizophrenia. Funny huh? So I know what he is going through. That drug got it under control. After ONE freaking dose.

 

[cistanche_enjoyer]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Why you assuming you understand schizophrenia? 

Of course I don’t understand it fully. I’m just trying to put together pieces of the puzzle based on my research.

If you think any of my assumptions are wrong please do correct me 

[Ziran]

5 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

schizophrenia is connected to expanded consciousness that somehow cannot be controlled

It's not expanding consciousness.   It's remapping sensory feedback exaggerating the certainty of a highly unlikely story they're telling about themself usually for the purpose of avoiding an inconvenient painful set of truths.

5 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

he started abusing drugs, got into a car accident, and consequently developed schizophrenia.

If the condition developed after these events, I'm guessing the individual is trying to make sense of their circumstances ( Why me? ).  They don't want to accept that the condition they're in is partially genetic, partially their up-bringing, partially chaos, partially their own poor choices, partially poor choices of others.  They want their circumstances to be significant in a way which is pleasing to them.  And they will do a lot of work ( usually hyper-verbal, preaching their truth ) to reinforce their version of events with their remapped sensory feedback restated and emphasized.

5 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

his brother reached out to me asking if I could somehow help him. He said he is going through standard treatment for schizophrenia but it's not giving much results, although he seems to be a bit more stable. 

Most people who are suffering and struggling with what most describe as "mental illness" respond favorably to regular visits with a professional regardless of the type of treatment being offered.  The routine appointments help to focus on basic needs:  nutrition, hydration, rest, exercise.  These are almost always neglected.

Here in America and in the UK, most mental health practitioners keep distant from their patient's version of events, because, speaking about it reinforces the symptoms.  This can be very frustrating for the patient, but, that's conventional wisdom.  Professionals don't want to be liable for making matters worse.  Instead they prescribe medication, try to treat immediately urgent symptoms when they arise, and accept that the patient will likely always suffer to a degree.  How much they suffer is usually attributed to compliance with their medical advice.  Since most individuals who are "mentally ill" are non-compliant; the practitioners almost always are able to offset their own concerns and be satisfied with minimal effort and energy invested in bringing the patient to a full recovery.   

Conventional wisdom in these cases is to keep the individual calm.  Don't challenge their far-fetched ideas.  Often, when challenged, the individual will become violent, suicidal, or otherwise unpredictable.  Conversely, engaging in conversation about the symptoms reinforces them.  The result is treatment which appears to the outside observer to be "aloof".  The "standard treatment" is a minimalist, hands-off, approach where it's natural to wonder:  "Isn't there more that can be done to help?"  

5 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Is there anything I could talk to him or help him with from a spiritual perspective? Things like balancing the chakras, controlling the flow of kundalini, grounding, etc. - do you have any experience in dealing with symptoms of schizophrenia from this perspective?

No.   From a spiritual perspective, in general, the rule is:  "You are where your mind is."   From a spiritual perspective, the afflicted is in another realm.  Those techniques grant access to "other realms".  Even "grounding" practices counter-intuitively draw awareness beyond the material toward their ( nearly ) infinite essence.  ( Which is/are other realm(s) ).  In order to help them, from a spiritual perspective, one would need to join them in the other realm where their mind is.  That's not an easy task.  It takes a long time, a lot of effort.  What's needed are listening skills.  Not spiritual practice.  

Yes, I've worked with an individual who was diagnosed with schizophrenia.  He had been in treatment for almost 20 years.  He had developed the condition during his time away from home at university.  We met when he was over 40.  He had been asking for help from anyone who would listen, because his psychiatrist refused to discuss anything relating to his delusions.  He and I worked together ( pro-bono ) for a little over 2 years.   The best help that I could offer involved giving the afflicted language to better describe their inner-experience in ways which fit into his specific set of circumstances.  We also worked on ways to validate his experiences without inviting negative reactions which triggered him.   But, he still suffers.  He wasn't cured.  We haven't spoken in several years.  3, I think.  We have common friends.  I've been told that he's relapsed a few times. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Ziran

[Hojo]

If you have schizophrenia and you have kundalini you still have schizophrenia after you have kundalini.