So I awakened to the Highest Truth Again

[Wilhelm44]

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

when there is no attachment to thoughts even for a second entire universe dissolves.

You mean like cessation ?

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

You mean like cessation ?

Like in deep sleep, in that moment, there is no universe, or before physical birth.

Same as awake, just body moves / mind thinks, experiences. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What would you call the appearance of things ?

Is it not nothingness/emptiness appearing as everythingness ?

The appearance of things are possibilities that are possible happening. 

Don't you see the mistake in calling them "nothingness" or "appearances" when those concepts are ideas that appears in the comparative mind? Adjectives, valorations. 

You can open yourself to your total nature, but describing the reality as unreal and saying that this is enlightenment is absolute nonsense. 

[Breakingthewall]

@Wilhelm44 I wrote this in the psychedelics forum. Imo is a good description 

 

In my opinion, the goal of a psychedelic trip is the opening of your energetic structure, the breaking of the blockage in which every human lives. 

The goal is total openness, and when it happens, there are no intellectual deductions like knowing that you are God, that you create reality, that you do it for certain reasons, but rather, at a given moment, you are total. 

Contraction within you is zero, nothing limits you, not the idea of God, not love, nothing. Total. In that state, your body vibrates and the hair on your head seems to be receiving an electric shock, the eyes of your mind are open 360 degrees, and there is only one thing you can know: you are. And what does being imply: Everything.

There is nothing more to know; you are absolutely omniscient, since you know absolutely everything: you are. There is nothing more to know, since that is everything. 

The joy that floods you is absolutely perfect; all the twisted filaments of your psyche are absolutely straight, like lines of escape to infinity. Your brain is functioning at full capacity, shinning , but its content is completely unstructured.

You are, period. And nothing, absolutely nothing, can be added to this. This is everything, and it is paradise, nirvana, the holy grail, the jack pot.  Not even your wildest dreams or most unrestrained imagination can come close. It is total.

Edited 17 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Wilhelm44]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The appearance of things are possibilities that are possible happening. 

Don't you see the mistake in calling them "nothingness" or "appearances" when those concepts are ideas that appears in the comparative mind? Adjectives, valorations. 

You can open yourself to your total nature, but describing the reality as unreal and saying that this is enlightenment is absolute nonsense. 

I was thinking of 'nothingness' as being just another word for infinite shapeshifter.

Somehow it doesn't feel negative to me. There's beauty to it.

When Leo says, ur imagining all of this right now, how do you interpret that ?

 

 

[Wilhelm44]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

there are no intellectual deductions like knowing that you are God

There are actually some similarities between what you're saying and what Jim Newman says.

But what specifically do you find people objecting to in that paragraph you wrote ?

(I'm not quite sure I understand your objections to no self though. It seems to link up nicely with solipsism also,)

[Wilhelm44]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

In that state

You seem to be implying some mystical state as the goal ?

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

Like in deep sleep, in that moment, there is no universe, or before physical birth.

Same as awake, just body moves / mind thinks, experiences. 

That's pretty cool, like you're being reset/refreshed in the middle of the day.

 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

That's pretty cool, like you're being reset/refreshed in the middle of the day.

 

It is Being always what You are, therefore resting as Sri Niagaradasti say.

[Wilhelm44]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

It is Being always what You are, therefore resting as Sri Niagaradasti say.

🙂

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

When Leo says, ur imagining all of this right now, how do you interpret that ?

 

It's as if he thinks that God is an entity that does things like imagine, and does so for reasons like love or a desire to experience.

5 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

But what specifically do you find people objecting to in that paragraph you wrote ?

People says that enlightenment is knowing that you are god dreaming, or that self is illusion, or that reality is a dream. All that are valorations. Structures that the conceptual mind creates. Enlightenment is being open to the nature of reality, that's not knowing the structure of reality 

5 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

You seem to be implying some mystical state as the goal

Openess could be described as an state, name than being neurotic could be another state 

Edited 12 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Wilhelm44]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's as if he thinks that God is an entity that does things like imagine, and does so for reasons like love or a desire to experience.

So when you look at things you see nothing illusory (maya), dreamlike or imagined ?

(I mean like when the body dies, you don't really die.)

So my question is: what is your definition of "real" ?

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Openess could be described as an state, name than being neurotic could be another state 

But it's not possible to live continuously in that state of peak mystical experience.

(Yet you seemed to describe it as the ultimate goal)

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 I have heard sadhguru say that he has to sit in a specific way with his leg under his butt cause he will lose track of himself.

A dementia patient is living in peak mystical experience.

They cant function but a yogi can.

They can keep track of their other body where other people who are not in tune will lose themselves.

 

I was helping an elderly with demntia at work she was talking to me but holding the pole I needed her to sit and she was like okay im going to sit down but didnt move and im like you gotta move your feet and shes like okay yep, But she didnt move and im like you gotta move your feet and shes like okay again. And i pointed at her feet and said you gotta move those over here and she didnt know that they were her own feet.

A yogi could walk around with not knowing who they are. A normal person absolutely loses it cause they dont know what they are.

When a normie dies he dosent know he exists anymore when  yogi dies he knows he exists. You dont understand how insane this is. This goes beyond anything you can imagine being concious while you can think you are dead and breaking that chain.

Its the most insane thing possible.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Wilhelm44]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44 I have heard sadhguru say that he has to sit in a specific way with his leg under his butt cause he will lose track of himself.

A dementia patient is living in peak mystical experience.

They cant function but a yogi can.

They can keep track of their other body where other people who are not in tune will lose themselves.

States come and go.

I know Jim Newman says: This (what is and isn't) is not an experience. 

[Hojo]

@Wilhelm44 Awakening is finding yourself in non experience. You have to know its a conclusion and understanding.  When you know what it is you can start making up these zen qoans. This isnt what it is its like teaching to understand not a conclusion to something to make a point.

A yogi knows that which isnt a state

A normie will completely die, they will be there but they wont be aware. Its the exact same thing as dying from science if you dont know the state.

If a normie die he hit the void and says Im dead.

If a yogi hit the void he says im alive.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Wilhelm44]

10 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Wilhelm44 Awakening is finding yourself in non experience. You have to know its a conclusion and understanding.  When you know what it is you can start making up these zen qoans. This isnt what it is its like teaching to understand not a conclusion to something to make a point.

A yogi knows that which isnt a state

A normie will completely die, they will be there but they wont be aware.

Im not speaking in koans.

When the sense of seperate self loses all momentum (it never really existed in the first place), all that there is, is whats always already the case, and that can't be an experience. ie impersonal, ie life is happening automatically.

Edited 2 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Leo Gura]

An animal does not have a concept of ownership or property, but it does fight over things it needs to survive.

I can eat your cake without ever thinking it is "my" cake. You can pee on a tree without ever thinking, "this tree is now mine".

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

On 7/3/2026 at 9:46 PM, Razard86 said:

Leo said that God's Love is Platonic Love, lol that couldn't be further from the truth.

Your notion of Platonic is too narrow. Platonic doesn't mean asexual. It means higher metaphysical.

Google AI:

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The concept comes from the ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who theorized that love should elevate the soul and inspire a pursuit of absolute beauty and truth. However, his original idea was more about using the admiration of physical beauty as a stepping stone to intellectual and spiritual connection, rather than the strictly "sexless relationship" definition used today.

Romanitc love is a subset of Platonic Love.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I can eat your cake without ever thinking it is "my" cake. You can pee on a tree without ever thinking, "this tree is now mine".

I'm not sure I'm getting the point here.

Please can you say a bit more ?

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I'm not sure I'm getting the point here.

Please can you say a bit more ?

Animals do things mechanically that aid their survival without consciously knowing what they are doing or why.

When a cat pees on a tree to mark its territory, it doesn't understand it is marking territory. But it is still effective at keeping others away.

When a baby cries, the baby does not know why it is crying, but it still succeeds at it.

You do not need a conscious understanding of property to defend a nest, the nest can just be defended mechanically, which is what birds do. The bird is not sitting around thinking, "this is MY nest!"

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura