Women are attracted to relativity

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Ulax said:

I dont think that is true. Many men rank poorly compared to Brad Pitt but still get laid. So accessibility is something to be accounted for.

Women can only choose from the guys who are around, available, and approach. So her options are limited. She is not choosing from a hypothetical pool of the world's top men. She is going to choose the first decent guy who comes around.

Edited Friday at 06:22 PM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

15 hours ago, StaraX said:

@Natasha Tori Maru A lion has two meal options. The first option is a zebra. The second option is broccoli. Which option will the lion choose? If you think the first option is correct, how did you come to that thought? Based on what exactly?

I know how I logically arrive at conclusions. 

I want YOU to answer. How did you arrive at the originally stated conclusion? A rhetorical question doesn't tell me that. 

I can see you are very, very much avoiding answering by issuing rhetoric in both posts addressing me. If you can't answer, that's fine too. Did you arrive at the conclusion, or did you just take Leo's word as truth without any critical thinking? Since you appealed to Leo's ideas and not your own in one answer, it would be fair to infer you adopted a belief.

Edited yesterday at 02:19 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[StaraX]

22 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I know how I logically arrive at conclusions. 

I want YOU to answer. How did you arrive at the originally stated conclusion? A rhetorical question doesn't tell me that. 

I can see you are very, very much avoiding answering by issuing rhetoric in both posts addressing me. If you can't answer, that's fine too. Did you arrive at the conclusion, or did you just take Leo's word as truth without any critical thinking? Since you appealed to Leo's ideas and not your own in one answer, it would be fair to infer you adopted a belief.

@Natasha Tori Maru When it comes to female psychology and the way women select mates, my analysis comes from my own experiences as well as the theories of attracting women that I deeply studied before I started doing pick up and dating women. 

 Leo's analysis of female behavior in the dating market is pretty damn accurate and it aligns with my experience in pickup and game, which is why I repeat his analysis a lot. 

Did I anwser your question? 

 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@StaraX not really, but that's all good. 

Meta thinking is sometimes else entirely 

[Jirh]

@Natasha Tori Maru I waited for something of substance to come up but nevermind, I'll answer for him because I think I know the framework he's using without knowing that he is and because I wanna hear your thoughts.

I think "being above" frames the relationship as a strict hierarchy, where one partner holds the dominant leadership position and the other is expected to be the compliant follower. In that context, the premise rests on the assumption that all women are inherently submissive and that their primary role in a romantic relationship is to fulfill that dynamic.

The logic suggests that a woman's admiration for a man is the mechanism that triggers her submission, and by turn deep attraction, therefore unlocking traits like obedience, loyalty, and deference.

It's the same red-pill nonsense that keeps appearing everywhere nowadays that misses the point entirely about confidence and independence (objective traits) being universally attractive, while dominance and leadership are more relational context specific positions rather than strictly fixed roles let alone objective traits.

Also, dominance and submission are not a binary or a one-way street. Someone can be dominant in one area and completely submissive in another.

I wish that people could think more independently. That would be a lot more attractive.

Edited 4 hours ago by Jirh

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Jirh You summed up my feelings on the matter.

I was hoping my line of enquiry might reveal some more nuance in the bland and overly reductive initial statement.

Reductionism is applied way to broadly when it comes to the sexes. The topic is complex, involving many different systems - and it's often impossible to untether them to get to any sort of 'ultimate truth of women/men'. If we aren't comfortable with a level of ambiguity we will constantly fall into traps of reductionism.

When someone cannot sufficiently explain their ideas, opinions or claims it suggests an adopted belief (although this can also be because one can lack the ability to express themselves, but good questioning usually resolves this). And all too often these days, without critical analysis (and the proliferation of misinformation affecting us also), people fall victim to the repetition and certainty served up to them from whatever section of the internet they are immersed in.

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I wish that people could think more independently. That would be a lot more attractive.

Absolutely - and not to be afraid of hashing things out in dyadic conversation! We don't always have to come from a position of authority and knowing. Sometimes walking through ideas with someone else can be a great way to sharpen critical thinking. The tough part about this forum - and the internet at large - is when someone is being uncharitable or not having an open, good faith approach. 

Ces't La Vie when we are dealing with egos!

[Jirh]

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[LordFall]

I mean it's a well documented phenomenon that women tend to seek out men that outearn them. It's true in even the most egalitarian societies on earth like Norway.

It's not an absolute fact but the even new modern studies point towards being high earning man facilitates the formation of relationships as well as financial issues are one of the top factors predicting a divorce. 

 

[Jirh]

Yeah, everyone would choose the higher-paying job if they had the choice, man or woman. But we aren't talking about work here.

We are talking about attraction, the raw desire to have intimacy with someone.

We are talking about the involuntary reflexes that tick the right boxes deep inside, not the calculated pragmatic choices that someone makes for a transactional arrangement.

Those are two entirely different registers. And citing socioeconomic statistics and using them to prove a biological claim about desire will not work.

Edited 2 hours ago by Jirh