Blacking out on 5-meo

[Nilas]

Hey, it's me again with some more questions about 5-MeO.
During stronger trips, I sometimes felt really nauseous and repeatedly had the urge to vomit. That in itself isn't a big deal—I've experienced it with other psychedelics too. What’s new—and what I know from others’ experiences—is the feeling of: "if this gets any stronger, I’m going to black out."
Until now, during trips, I could only imagine that this might happen, but the combination of vomiting and blacking out makes me uneasy. Especially since I usually trip alone. (Obviously, I won't dose higher for now, but still...)
So here’s my question: How do you explain these blackouts that happen to so many people on 5-MeO? I remember someone saying here on the forum: “You’re so conscious that you black out.” Why would you black out if you get more conscous. That doesn’t make much sense to me. Feels like i come from a different paradigma. Can anyone elaborate on that? What can be done about it (besides not doing such a high dose)? 

Thanks!

[Davino]

@Nilas I've never experienced a black out really, so I can't tell you about that. But sometime less is more. Changing substance may help as well.

I've experienced nausea and two things have helped me: taking ginger prior to a trip. And working with the energy in my stomach.

Sometimes the body recognises a substance as poison and wants to puke it out for safety, so you have to baby talk your own system that this is safe and to be in oneness with the substance, not to reject but to embrace and realign.

Other times, it's stuck energy on the stomach, call it karma, or whatever label, I don't know to properly address it but, it's something that is out of alignment for you and many people and it's important to work with it. Sufi grind yogic exercises are very helpful in this regard. Maybe try this for some time and specially always before a trip:

Hopefully you found some value.

[Michal__]

You can black out during meditation too, it's the highest concentration state.

Maybe there's some connection.

[Nilas]

@Davino Thank you, nausea really isn´t the problem. I interpret it also as some kind of energyflow-stuck-think. Intuitively i do all kind of yoga-like body movements during these moments. On my first LSD-Trip I saw how past experiences are stored in my body. Also vomiting felt often quite right on other psycedelics. I always have the feeling psycedelics clean my body. 
But yeah, thanks, i´ll look into ginger and maybe also include some kind of yoga proir to the trip!

@Michal__ Puuhh, idk. I guess you mean Jhānas according to classical Buddhist teaching? I have long and intensiv experience with meditation, never bothered to compare my experience with these Jhānas; but i d say on a intensiv meditation retreat i´ll come very deep, but i never had the feeling of blacking out. Non-material, yes, light, yes ... but then maybe my meditation is a joke to 5MeO. 

Maybe blacking out means kinda simply not remembering. Because that's also a thing I recognized (all psychedelics but especially 5-MeO): I find it very hard to remember … But i see it as a kind of practice. But I am interested why that's the case. 

[Thought Art]

@Nilas Are you taking large doses? I’ve experienced bouts of not remembering which is scary. Happens with vaping especially large doses. 
 

 

[Nilas]

@Thought Art I havent yet nailed my dosing. But I'd say so far I always stayed under 20 mg – but fuck me, I might be wrong. It's not like I wake up in another room and am like: "Wtf, how do I get here?" It's more like when you wake up in the morning and try to remember your dream. So i know what i did (sitting on my couch...) but its often hard for me to remember how the trip was, if that makes any sense. 

[Michal__]

37 minutes ago, Nilas said:

@Davino Thank you, nausea really isn´t the problem. I interpret it also as some kind of energyflow-stuck-think. Intuitively i do all kind of yoga-like body movements during these moments. On my first LSD-Trip I saw how past experiences are stored in my body. Also vomiting felt often quite right on other psycedelics. I always have the feeling psycedelics clean my body. 
But yeah, thanks, i´ll look into ginger and maybe also include some kind of yoga proir to the trip!

@Michal__ Puuhh, idk. I guess you mean Jhānas according to classical Buddhist teaching? I have long and intensiv experience with meditation, never bothered to compare my experience with these Jhānas; but i d say on a intensiv meditation retreat i´ll come very deep, but i never had the feeling of blacking out. Non-material, yes, light, yes ... but then maybe my meditation is a joke to 5MeO. 

Maybe blacking out means kinda simply not remembering. Because that's also a thing I recognized (all psychedelics but especially 5-MeO): I find it very hard to remember … But i see it as a kind of practice. But I am interested why that's the case. 

It's called a fruition, hitting it for the first time leads to the first level of enlinghtenment. It is very rare though and produces pernament changes.

Sometimes listed as the 9th jhana.

Edited 3 hours ago by Michal__

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Nilas said:

During stronger trips, I sometimes felt really nauseous and repeatedly had the urge to vomit.

That's common for 5-MeO. It has a fairly high body load. Although through lots of work with it you can get used to it and it lessens with use.

But your first 50 trips or so will tend to be nauseating.

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the feeling of: "if this gets any stronger, I’m going to black out."

Then stop taking such high doses.

If you are worried about blacking out, your doses are too high.

Don't ego-dose. Medium doses are better.

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How do you explain these blackouts that happen to so many people on 5-MeO?

It could happen on any chemical if you take too much. You can black out from alcohol.

5-MeO is just so potent in such small quantities that it's easier to overdose than mushrooms or DMT.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura