Europe Votes This Year

[zurew]

33 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Even if it's because of social class, religion, trauma etc; what difference does it make

The difference is that you are presumably interested in creating policies that directly targets the most relevant variables that can filter and reduce crime while you can also maintain all the good that you care about and maintain a state of affair that is also aligned with your moral character.

For instance, it would be strange for you to care about not importing crime and reducing crime, and at the same time not care about white criminals or about criminals who has the exact same ethnicity as what you prefer.

Edited 1 hour ago by zurew

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

The difference is that you are presumably interested in creating policies that directly target the most relevant variables that can filter and reduce crime while you can also maintain all the good that you care about.

Yes but what do you intend to do? You have no control over people's social situation, their traumas, religion, etc. However you have complete control over law enforcement, the justice system, and immigration control.

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

For instance, it would be strange for you to care about not importing crime and reducing crime, and at the same time not caring about white criminals or about criminals who has the exact same ethnicity as what you prefer.

I didn't say that crimes committed by white people didn't count, I said that white people were proportionally less represented and that's one of the reasons why people are increasingly opposed to immigration, including the descendants of immigrants.

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes but what do you intend to do?

Take a look at studies and data on what policies can most effectively reduce crime and can change criminals and then implement and advocate for those.

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

You have no control over people's social situation...

This is generally speaking false,especially if you have a lot of resources to help with.

You can put people in a different environment with different people, with new job and  education opportunities etcetc.

What you should rather say is that you dont think given your values and the avalaible resources that its worth it to spend x amount of resources to help and target y group of people.

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

I said that white people were proportionally less represented and that's one of the reasons why people are increasingly opposed to immigration, including the descendants of immigrants.

Yeah but if you are interested in reducing crime , you would spend resources in trying to figure out what explains that disproportional representation and again when it comes to immigration and non-immigration policies you would target the most directly relevant set of variables and not ethnicity and race.

The very idea that you want to categorize criminals based on race and ethnicity when you look at crime seems a strange move in and of itself. If race and ethnicity are not best predictive of criminal behavior then whats the reasoning behind categorizing data based on those variables?

Even if I granted you that you have no control over the things you listed earlier and only over immigration policy , that still doesnt explain the reason why you dont want to filter immigrants based on the most relevant set of variables and why you want to target ethnicity and race.

Edited 27 minutes ago by zurew

[Monster Energy]

5 hours ago, WonderSeeker said:

Victor got Orbán-ned.

@Monster Energy Besides Hungary, what are the other countries voting this year?

I'm an American living in Asia, I don't know squat about Europe. Do the polls say immigration is the #1 issue? How about foreign policy and the economy?

Yeah… countries like Sweden, Denmark, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Malta, Cyprus and a few others are heading into elections in 2026. On top of that, you’ve got local and regional votes in places like Germany, France, Italy and the Netherlands.

And yes, immigration is still one of the big ones. Usually sitting right up there with the economy and cost of living. Foreign policy and security? Also very much in the mix, especially anything tied to Ukraine and Russia, depending on where you are in Europe.