Jiddu Krishnamurti

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Jirh said:

There it is; no-self, or emptiness.

Though, what is awareness aware of?

For consciousness to exist, there must be structure. Without a record of experience that differentiates past and present, there is no consciousness. If your memory were absolute zero, there would be no consciousness; you wouldn't perceive change because to perceive it, you have to register the previous state.

Furthermore, there must be perception of inside out, object and subject, which can dissolve, and this is what we call a meditative state. But first, it must exist.

Consciousness is not something; rather, it is the result of a structure.

[VeganAwake]

8 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ahahahah, i just saw your post and immediately as I read “MMA” the song popped up in memory and I took the opportunity😁

Imo it’s actually a catchy song I’ve listened to it quite a few times. 

😅 maybe I should have just listened and not watched.

I will take your word for it though!

[Ajay0]

Dada Gavand is an enlightened sage of modern times who was influenced by the writings of Jiddu Krishnamurti and had spent time with him as a spiritual seeker in his youth.

Dada's core teachings after his own enlightenment  reflected Krishnamurti's philosophy, emphasizing silent watchfulness, choiceless awareness, and freedom from mechanical thought.

I had created a thread on Dada Gavand's account of enlightenment ....

 

[Jirh]

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Definitions this and that, recognize if you have a sense of self or not, people be deluded talking about awakenings when they’re struggling with basic ego problems 

So, it's aware of thoughts. I would say that it's not limited to just thoughts, but it's a good place to start.

What are thoughts?

[Jirh]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

For consciousness to exist, there must be structure. Without a record of experience that differentiates past and present, there is no consciousness. If your memory were absolute zero, there would be no consciousness; you wouldn't perceive change because to perceive it, you have to register the previous state.

Furthermore, there must be perception of inside out, object and subject, which can dissolve, and this is what we call a meditative state. But first, it must exist.

Consciousness is not something; rather, it is the result of a structure.

Why would consciousness/awareness require time?

I think that it's self-sufficient on its own. And that it is actually what creates the sense of time or the structure that you mentioned.

There is awareness of something, simple as that. No need for time or anything else.

There's also an awareness of time.

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

😅 maybe I should have just listened and not watched.

I will take your word for it though!

ahahah ☺️

[Mellowmarsh]

13 hours ago, Jirh said:

There it is; no-self, or emptiness.

Though, what is awareness aware of?

Awareness is not aware to be aware of something. 

 

 

[Jirh]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Awareness is not aware to be aware of something.

Are you saying awareness is not aware?

If it's not aware, then it's unaware. And awareness cannot be unaware. That would be a contradiction.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Jirh said:

Are you saying awareness is not aware?

If it's not aware, then it's unaware. And awareness cannot be unaware. That would be a contradiction.

Yes, it’s a paradox, a synthetic phenomenon empty to the core.

Awareness is not aware or unaware because there’s no awareness of being unaware, or aware.

[Jirh]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, it’s a paradox, a synthetic phenomenon empty to the core.

Awareness is not aware or unaware because there’s no awareness of being unaware, or aware.

Sounds like a word salad that doesn't make any sense.

And actually my experience suggests the opposite.

But thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Jirh said:

Sounds like a word salad that doesn't make any sense.

And actually my experience suggests the opposite.

But thanks for sharing your thoughts.

You’re welcome.