Jiddu Krishnamurti

[shubhamsharma]

Have you guys read Jiddu Krishnamurti? If yes, what are your thoughts on his teachings? 

[Breakingthewall]

I read him a lot when I was a teenager; I found him fascinating. I'd say I've read almost all of his books and transcripts, some several times. What I liked about reading him was that he gave me a feeling of almost grasping something essential, almost, close.

Later, I reread him and thought: wtf, he's a fraud. He's an intelligent man who understands spirituality in depth, but the issue is where it's aimed, its vector. The arrow points to him, to his self-image. He's condescending and makes impossible logical twists; he lacks real depth, he comes across as disconnected, narcissistic. He seems like a wounded, very distant, closed-hearted guy who uses lies without any qualms. His goal is appearing special, enlightened, genius. That's the truth that he wants to transmit 

[enchanted]

6 hours ago, shubhamsharma said:

Have you guys read Jiddu Krishnamurti? If yes, what are your thoughts on his teachings? 

He's mostly great, teaches similar stuff to Leo, but as @Breakingthewallthe points out there are some inconsistencies about him. This is why you don't worship the man but rather listen to what he has to say and move on with your life. 

He never claimed to be perfect and his public celebrity status is a double edged sword. On one hand his message would never reach people if he wasn't popular. On the other hand his celebrity status makes him vulnerable to all sorts of scrutiny and criticisms (see comment above). It does matter of he's a "fraud" or "how he comes off", either his words are true or they aren't.

Once you get the message hang up the phone with K and don't start measuring his shoe size etc. 

Edited 5 hours ago by enchanted

[Breakingthewall]

He repeat an idea that's essential and true: truth is a land without paths. No one can lead you to truth but yourself 

Maybe he's true in some aspects but when you become so important it's almost impossible that the character doesn't become an interference 

[enchanted]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe he's true in some aspects but when you become so important it's almost impossible that the character doesn't become an interference 

Does that apply to everyone? Or only K? Is K worse than any of us? Do you want a spiritual teacher without any character, faults, or personality?

Many people call Leo a fraud, does that make it true? Does Leo have any faults? 

A "perfect" teacher is also problematic because then the students have no chance of actualizing the teachings since most of us have faults. 

PS Thanks for the replies, I enjoy discussing K and appreciate your insights. 

Edited 4 hours ago by enchanted

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, enchanted said:

Does that apply to everyone? Or only K? Is K worse than any of us? Do you want a spiritual teacher without any character, faults, or personality?

Many people call Leo a fraud, does that make it true? Does Leo have any faults? 

A "perfect" teacher is also problematic because then the students have no chance of actualizing the teachings since most of us have faults. 

PS Thanks for the replies, I enjoy discussing K and appreciate your insights. 

For me a spiritual teacher must have an absolute commitment with truth and integrity. Can be wrong in some points but should be absolutely free of need of high self image, because if he's corrupted by this a bit, he's absolutely corrupted. The topic is extremely subtle and deception is everywhere. If a teacher is not absolutely humble, he's absolutely liar. Humble means that the reality is first, and his ego second absolutely always 

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

There's a book, Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti,  in which the daughter of one of J.'s alleged lovers talks about what he was really like. It seems he was a complete liar, but who knows? For me what is told in that book seems coherent with his vibe

[enchanted]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me a spiritual teacher must have an absolute commitment with truth and integrity. Can be wrong in some points but should be absolutely free of need of high self image, because if he's corrupted by this a bit, he's absolutely corrupted. The topic is extremely subtle and deception is everywhere. If a teacher is not absolutely humble, he's absolutely liar. Humble means that the reality is first, and his ego second absolutely always 

Yes I agree. Do you have any examples of teachers that are not corrupted?

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, enchanted said:

Yes I agree. Do you have any examples of teachers that are not corrupted?

For example Ramakrishna, Tagore, Ramana maharshi, the sufis, meister Eckhart, Hawkings seem true but strange ideas, bit delusional, Eckhart Tolle same but very wrong in his view imo...but who knows, I don't know their work in depth, just reading a book of listening some

[enchanted]

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

For example Ramakrishna, Tagore, Ramana maharshi, the sufis, meister Eckhart, Hawkings seem true but strange ideas, bit delusional, Eckhart Tolle same but very wrong in his view imo...but who knows, I don't know their work in depth, just reading a book of listening some

Oh I see, yes very interesting comparisons. I'll think on this conversation, thanks! 

Edited 3 hours ago by enchanted

[James123]

12 hours ago, shubhamsharma said:

Have you guys read Jiddu Krishnamurti? If yes, what are your thoughts on his teachings? 

İf you apply what he says %100 you ll see what enlightenment is.