Are Mechanisms Fundamental to Consciousness?

[Kiyo1104]

I've been trying to get as far as I can in understanding reality through contemplation, since I'm still preparing myself to eventually take a psychedelic. I'd really appreciate hearing your answers to this:

 

Does consciousness/God actually operate through mechanisms, or are mechanisms themselves just imagined limitations within consciousness?

 

For example, psychedelics seem to temporarily dissolve egoic limitations by interacting with brain receptors, allowing shifts in consciousness that can lead to God-realization. Since these states often appear inaccessible through ordinary means, does that imply psychedelics and brain structures are genuine mechanisms required for awakening?

 

Or are these mechanisms themselves imaginary  (appearances within consciousness rather than something consciousness is truly bound by)?

 

Could God awaken to its true nature without psychedelics, death, meditation, or any other apparent mechanism at all?

 

If consciousness is truly infinite and sovereign, wouldn’t that mean it cannot be fundamentally constrained by any mechanism? And could that also explain why all forms (including the ego) are impermanent (because they are self-imposed imaginary limitations within consciousness)?

 

And are questions like these only fully understandable through direct God-realization experiences (via psychedelics), or can contemplation alone lead to genuine understanding?

[Breakingthewall]

Consciousness is simply the state of being aware, not something that does things.

Reality manifests in relationships that form patterns. At a certain level, subjective experience or consciousness appears, and this experience can open oneself to the unlimited nature of reality.

Consciousness occurs through complex processes; without them, consciousness disappears. Reality neither needs nor desires consciousness; unlimited reality does not desire, since it is unlimited, but rather manifests itself.

The consciousness that you are is reality being aware of itself. There is no god above you who created you, but rather possible processes that have occurred.

Reality is total, unlimited, divine, absolute power, total creation, infinite being, but there is no one directing its function. Limitlessness itself is the inevitable cause of everything that can be, being.

[Leo Gura]

The ultimate mechanism is Will. Which is not a mechanism because it is Infinite. Or, you could also think of it as an Infinite Mechanism. It is a mechanism so profound that it has no beginning or end.

GOD is an out of control Infinite Dream. The reason that you can't do things directly at will in your current situation is because you are deeply lost in the Infinite Dream and your consciousness is too low to fully Awaken from it and have full access to your Will. There are limits upon you, but only because you are dreaming. The dream you are dreaming conflicts with what you wish you were dreaming, which is why you can't just will a bunch of money to rain from the sky. You could if you were fully conscious, but you are not. You can't be that conscious and retain your finite human psyche. Being human is what keeps from being fully God. If you became fully God you would stop existing as a human. So that's sticking point. The sticking point is that you don't want to die.

Edited Friday at 08:01 PM by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

38 minutes ago, Kiyo1104 said:

And are questions like these only fully understandable through direct God-realization experiences (via psychedelics), or can contemplation alone lead to genuine understanding?

Do both.

[Kiyo1104]

Thank you all for the replies! I really appreciate it.

[Mellowmarsh]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The ultimate mechanism is Will. Which is not a mechanism because it is Infinite. Or, you could also think of it as an Infinite Mechanism. It is a mechanism so profound that it has no beginning or end.

GOD is an out of control Infinite Dream. The reason that you can't do things directly at will in your current situation is because you are deeply lost in the Infinite Dream and your consciousness is too low to fully Awaken from it and have full access to your Will. There are limits upon you, but only because you are dreaming. The dream you are dreaming conflicts with what you wish you were dreaming, which is why you can't just will a bunch of money to rain from the sky. You could if you were fully conscious, but you are not. You can't be that conscious and retain your finite human psyche. Being human is what keeps from being fully God. If you became fully God you would stop existing as a human. So that's sticking point. The sticking point is that you don't want to die.

There’s no room in here for two. This town ain’t big enough for the both of us, and it ain’t me who’s going to leave.

No one comes and no one leaves, and no one is a beggar in their own kingdom.

 

[gettoefl]

The world is what I want. Not a blade of grass is amiss. So yes it takes a lot to upend my grand opus. Tools and suffering. But this here is what I want. Why I need to change? I am so engrossed in the thing I shall refuse to concede this is all my own making or even investigate the claim. I don't want to know that ok? I am happy. Well trying to be. Maybe one day anyway. I will fight for it or die trying. It's my party damnit. Just leave me in peace will you.

[Mellowmarsh]

@gettoefl Love.

[gettoefl]

11 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@gettoefl Love.

Blessings dear friend. 

[Kiyo1104]

@Leo Gura

Is it possible for God/consciousness to remain lost in a particular dream forever and never awaken?

I understand that physical death dissolves this "stuckness" within the human dream, but I’m wondering more generally whether God could ever remain permanently identified with a finite character (even beyond forms of existence where there is no physical death) or does God always eventually awakens back into full access to its Will .

[Dodo]

On 12/06/2026 at 8:53 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Consciousness is simply the state of being aware, not something that does things.

Reality manifests in relationships that form patterns. At a certain level, subjective experience or consciousness appears, and this experience can open oneself to the unlimited nature of reality.

Consciousness occurs through complex processes; without them, consciousness disappears. Reality neither needs nor desires consciousness; unlimited reality does not desire, since it is unlimited, but rather manifests itself.

The consciousness that you are is reality being aware of itself. There is no god above you who created you, but rather possible processes that have occurred.

Reality is total, unlimited, divine, absolute power, total creation, infinite being, but there is no one directing its function. Limitlessness itself is the inevitable cause of everything that can be, being.

You seem to be a materialist who believes consciousness is an emergent property. That true?

Reality does not need consciousness? Thats news to me! Consciousness is fundamental to reality. Consciousness is the only reality. The only *thing* that doesnt come and go, a constant, the Truth. 

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Dodo

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Dodo said:

You seem to be a materialist who believes consciousness is an emergent property. That true?

Reality does not need consciousness? Thats news to me! Consciousness is fundamental to reality. Consciousness is the only reality. The only *thing* that doesnt come and go, a constant, the Truth. 

 

 

Yes i know your religion. It's funny that if you observe the reality its absolutely obvious that consciousness or awareness is a process that happens in complex organisms where a model of the exchange of information happen. It's not "materialism", this process is the reality becoming conscious. But spiritual people are smarter, they know that all that you can see is a deception because god is making fun of us, and everything is imaginary, earth is flat and the chem trails make us weak. You could know it if you do psychedelic and you realize it. Well.... nothing, that's ok

 

[Dodo]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes i know your religion. It's funny that if you observe the reality its absolutely obvious that consciousness or awareness is a process that happens in complex organisms where a model of the exchange of information happen. It's not "materialism", this process is the reality becoming conscious. But spiritual people are smarter, they know that all that you can see is a deception because god is making fun of us, and everything is imaginary, earth is flat and the chem trails make us weak. You could know it if you do psychedelic and you realize it. Well.... nothing, that's ok

 

So much self deception in your post. You believe the mainstream idea that consciousness is emergent property omg I caannnt 😆 

Im not going to argue, but you need to come out of your own ass. When someone is so deep inside their own ass, discussion is not productive. 

Keep observing and missing the Truth. Stop believing your mind, you are deep into mental masturbation. 

Consciousness being constant is in line with our direct experience, consciousness emerging and small part of reallity is a story you tell yourself within consciousness.

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Dodo

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Dodo said:

So much self deception in your post. You believe the mainstream idea that consciousness is emergent property omg I caannnt 😆 

Im not going to argue, but you need to come out of your own ass. When someone is so deep inside their own ass, discussion is not productive. 

 

 

 

Yeah, I'm not one of the choosen who know the truth. Poor stupid scientist omg, are like kids. Maybe I should do psychedelic, realize god and then be above of them. Just in a while in your room you surpass Einstein, Tegmark or Roger Penrose. Seem a good business.

[Someone here]

On ١٢‏/٦‏/٢٠٢٦ at 10:58 PM, Leo Gura said:

The ultimate mechanism is Will. Which is not a mechanism because it is Infinite. Or, you could also think of it as an Infinite Mechanism. It is a mechanism so profound that it has no beginning or end.

GOD is an out of control Infinite Dream. The reason that you can't do things directly at will in your current situation is because you are deeply lost in the Infinite Dream and your consciousness is too low to fully Awaken from it and have full access to your Will. There are limits upon you, but only because you are dreaming. The dream you are dreaming conflicts with what you wish you were dreaming, which is why you can't just will a bunch of money to rain from the sky. You could if you were fully conscious, but you are not. You can't be that conscious and retain your finite human psyche. Being human is what keeps from being fully God. If you became fully God you would stop existing as a human. So that's sticking point. The sticking point is that you don't want to die.

God created by “be ! And it is “. An omnipotent entity can create anything it wants just by willing it into existence directly effortlessly . It doesn’t need to create through mechanisms.  You’ve talked about reaching this state in your video “an advanced explanation of god realization “ . Is this realization dependent on the substance? I think that’s the question being asked . If you reached that state it’s hard to make a case for why you returned to this realm . 

 

[gettoefl]

17 hours ago, Kiyo1104 said:

@Leo Gura

Is it possible for God/consciousness to remain lost in a particular dream forever and never awaken?

I understand that physical death dissolves this "stuckness" within the human dream, but I’m wondering more generally whether God could ever remain permanently identified with a finite character (even beyond forms of existence where there is no physical death) or does God always eventually awakens back into full access to its Will .

No. Hallucination must be finite. Because it's not God seemingly. God is infinite. Each universe ends.

Begging the question, can ego be immortal? Does immortal mean eternal. Contemplate. It is what any ego desires.

Edited 5 hours ago by gettoefl

[Dodo]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, I'm not one of the choosen who know the truth. Poor stupid scientist omg, are like kids. Maybe I should do psychedelic, realize god and then be above of them. Just in a while in your room you surpass Einstein, Tegmark or Roger Penrose. Seem a good business.

They seek intellectual truths. No psychedelics required to notice You never come in contact with anything outside of consciousness. It's not an intellectual thing, in fact, it breaks logic. Logic would tell you there is stuff like matter that is independently there. But all we have of it is sensations, images, smells - all mental things, all things within consciousness. This is the evidence we are working with, as proper scientists of this moment, no assumptions. 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

An omnipotent entity can create anything it wants just by willing it into existence directly effortlessly

Not really, intention is the rider of the will.

 

“The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection, and the water has no mind to retain their image"

 

[Kiyo1104]

4 hours ago, gettoefl said:

No. Hallucination must be finite. Because it's not God seemingly. God is infinite. Each universe ends.

Begging the question, can ego be immortal? Does immortal mean eternal. Contemplate. It is what any ego desires.

I see. I've wondered whether God could create a hallucination/dream so absolute that it could never awaken from it.

Since reality is infinite, would that possibility also be included within infinity?

Or does ego always dissolve one way or another, regardless of how delusional or deeply stuck in a dream it is (for example fearful of it's death as Leo pointed out).

I think about Leo’s episode “Understanding Impermanence”, where he emphasizes that God is the ultimate shapeshifter and therefore cannot remain frozen in any particular form. But I wonder whether his perspective on this has evolved over time, especially after accessing new states of consciousness over the years.

And to answer your question, I'm unsure whether ego can be immortal, I gravitate towards 'no' but absolute infinity (and its implications) confuses me and makes me wonder.

And yes, by immortal I mean eternal (I think of these as synonyms).

Edited 1 hour ago by Kiyo1104