If someone did awaken to realize they were God they would be the most conscious thing

[Thought Art]

If someone did awaken to realize they were God, in a complete state of omnipresent consciousness… they would be the most conscious thing in the universe. If anyone did this, that would be true. This is only true if it’s possible, if that’s the true nature of reality, consciousness and if you are truly God. Only by actually becoming God, can someone truly know God due to its ontological nature. 

This does not negate non-duality. For those who have studied non-dual shiva tantra or even Taoism they would know from the Tao, or from Shiva… God, which is perfect union with itself totally awake and eternal… comes all our finite reality. 

If God is true, and the big bang is not then the true science would have to include God, Awakening and Infinity. I have not seen a single person completely strongman the big bang. They always say “nothing existed, but if we bring in X…. Then they changes everything”….. True understanding would have to close the gap between consciousness and the origin of consciousness. Reality that created itself would have to remerge into to completely understand and awaken to itself that its what it is and always has been. 
 

Then, if someone had done more philosophical work at a deeper, more broad level awakened and then returned to human consciousness they would be able to articulate this Oneness, this omnipresent truth of the fundamental nature of reality to others who are still in the dream. 
 

But, they could only communicate with with their finite psychology, limited human understanding, biases,  imperfections, survival considerations, social contexts, etc. 
 

Other humans with no deep philosophical, meditative, and awakening experience would find that individual extremely threatening.  They would accuse him of all sorts of things. 
 

If this is possible. But belief or disbelief isn’t good enough. 
 

If this is true, that it’s possible and can be done by most humans… but, we have never considered this widely as a species it’s surely going to be controversial because it threatens everything we know to be true. Humans literally kill and bomb over this. Humans kill for survival and to defend their relative walled garden of partial truths or even falsehoods. 
 

To me this would suggest that reality is by design not to expose us to our true nature as God. Though, over time it was built in to awaken of those who chose to do this. If it’s true. I can see that being the case. There is clearly an intelligent design to human life with lots of relative spiritual teachings, beliefs, states, religions, etc. All this is good. Finite relative reality is good. 
 

Being God all the time, being totally aware of this isn’t all it’s cut out to be forever. It’s good to sleep because I, we, have forever…. Forever. So, enjoy the dream of being human, of debating, of trying to make sense of everything and the drama. It’s all here for us to experience. 
 

But, if it’s not possible then it’s false. And, someone could think they experienced this but didn’t and it could still ultimately be true or it could be false. This is very confusing. 
 

 But, how do we know what is true about the fundamental nature of reality, mind, consciousness, the origin of existence, the meaning of life, etc? Can we take any other humans word for this? Even Leo’s? No. No symbolic system is good enough. No authority in another human. If only we could directly experience what is true….
 

If we don’t want to pick up beliefs than we simply can’t know.
 

So what is true that requires not believing? How does state of consciousness, which is prior to belief play into that?

With regards to Leo… Expecting a guy on YouTube to be a saint, to never make a mistake, to make you feel good, when he admits to being an asshole makes no sense. He has never hidden that he is a jerk and even has a video on it. Plus, you guys are often jerks to him. So, watch for hypocrisy. 
 

I am a fan of the videos. I’m not convinced of it all being accurate. But, it’s pretty good. It helps me avoid a lot of illusion, make sense of how to approach the big picture. But, it’s a human doing it. Sooo…. I don’t expect perfection. 
 

These videos and these interactions with one man, can’t be how you go about spirituality in its entirety. Reality is brutish, it’s twisted its kind and loving but also war and bombs and sickness. You have to contend with this brutal, twisted reality we all share. All humans are in this game of survival and all by definition of being finite will have limitations, corruptions, ego, times when they aren’t kind to you, times when they don’t tickle you. 
 

Yes, many spiritual teachers are more sweet, kind, and considerate in how they speak. Leo is not like that. He has never been like that. Yet, you choose on your own free will to interact with him. Why?

There is a whole mountain range of spiritual teachings out there. Explore them. Explore science explore meditation, yoga, Qigong, various mystical texts. Explore this wondering world of human knowledge and potential. 

I am okay with people being offended by Leo. I don’t really care about that. His actions aren’t malicious in my view. 
 

People may never agree with me, and I’m fine with that. But, if you think I’m not a warrior you are wrong. I’m kind, I’m considerate. But, I am not nice. 
 

This is a moment in time. Humans are not fully evolved. We still have religions and belief systems held together by survival, symbolic understanding and feelings emotions and comfort. None of that is true. We have a science full of corruption, religions developed by ancient tribes who still hold human kind. 
 

Is human evolution some sweet and pretty little thing? Is that how you expect it to go? No. It’s going to be ugly and confusing and challenging. Painful. Scary. Brutish often. Even in this work, people have to have backbones against those with gross double standards. 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thought Art

[Osaid]

Non-dual simply means "not-two".

Therein, non-duality and duality isn't actually the same as non-duality. Because there's two.

Infinite and finite isn't actually the same as infinite. Because there's two.

So, in actuality...

Finite and infinite is still finite.

Non-duality and duality is still duality.

Indeed, there can only be "one". The eternal nature of reality. So-called "God". Ineffable and undefinable.

This "one" is not a property of a separate thing, like a person, or a person who is conscious. Because it is timeless, and therein, "already the case". You can't become it, because you already are it. It's literally all there is. Simply called, the present moment.

It includes all, and therein, it cannot be said to be any of what it includes. Such is the non-dual nature of "it".

If there is a consciousness which is the only thing, it wouldn't be the most conscious thing in the universe. It wouldn't even be in the universe, and it wouldn't even be a thing.

[Thought Art]

@Osaid What you say sound logical but that’s not what non-duality is. 
 

If reality is consciousness it’s the most conscious thing in existence by definition. 
 

If infinite didn’t include finite things (which there paradoxical aren’t even your pinky is infinite) then it would be finite not infinite. 
 

Non-duality doesn’t imply not two. It’s also a mental construct you have. 
 

I am in a room for example and I see a bottle and an iPad. The non-dual nature of this is that the iPad and bottle are the same thing, just appearing differently. 
 

Non-duality in daily human life is the sort of duality through artificial divisions. I mean, you admit you see more than one thing around you. In the oneness of your consciousness. 
 

From the Tao came the 10,000 things. This is essentially the Non-duality is the precursor for anything else. Reality has to be One and united. Has to be God, and it’s also happen to be an infinite mind. 
 

If you assume the mapping of non-duality you have is correct why is it riddled with paradox?

Edited 4 hours ago by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

“It includes all, and therein, it cannot be said to be any of what it includes. Such is the non-dual nature of "it".”

I would add and sort of correct to say, it includes all, and is all, therefore it’s nondual nature allows for the appearance and experience of dualistic qualia…

Because it includes all, and it is all, even when you see a chair and a cup and a feeling of sadness… it’s all the same thing. Shiva, as the Non-dual Shiva Tantra would teach is the non-dual nature of Love and a cup and how they are identical in absolute reality. 
 

There has to be a oneness, a non-dualness/ nothingness which is infinitely intelligent to have anything in daily human life. 
 

Nonduality if it’s true includes all the various things you have experienced in your life. 
 

Also, nonduality not being any of what it includes implies two…. And what would separate them? Nothing!!

Edited 4 hours ago by Thought Art

[Osaid]

22 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

What you say sound logical but that’s not what non-duality is. 

Actually it's not logical at all. It's more like magic. You're a magician.

22 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

If reality is consciousness it’s the most conscious thing in existence by definition.

Things aren't conscious.

22 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

If infinite didn’t include finite things (which there paradoxical aren’t even your pinky is infinite) then it would be finite not infinite.

If all finite things are included, then there is no actual observable independent finite thing. It's like a painting, it includes all of its parts. 

14 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I would add and sort of correct to say, it includes all, and is all therefore its nondual nature allows for the appears and experience of dualistic qualia…

Because it includes all, and it is all, even when you see a chair and a cup and a feeling of sadness… it’s all the same thing. Shiva, as the Non-dual Shiva Tantra would teach is the non-dual nature of Love and a cup and how they are identical in absolute reality. 

You can see a chair and a table, but you can't say that seeing is a chair or a table.

Similarly...consciousness!

Edited 4 hours ago by Osaid

[Hojo]

When you wake up you literally become the point of view of the universe. You are the universe the universe has point of view of itself like you have of your own body. The change happens inside of you you close your eyes and behind your eyes inside of you you see the entire universe.

The universe can say im the universe.

Edited 4 hours ago by Hojo

[Thought Art]

@Hojo Hi, I am the universe…

[Thought Art]

@Osaid Seeing is a chair or table if that’s what you’re seeing. You are sneakily creating a duality between consciousness and the subject within it. They are one…. That’s nonduality… 

[Osaid]

32 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Seeing is a chair or table if that’s what you’re seeing.

No, it's none of those things.

[Thought Art]

@Osaid If you think there is a difference between seeing and seen that’s a duality. This isn’t hard!

[Osaid]

16 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

If you think there is a difference between seeing and seen that’s a duality. This isn’t hard!

Seeing and seen is already a duality. I don't need to add a difference, because you've already made one.