I broke up

[Majed]

@Hojo 

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@LordFall Theres no such thing as bad. You saying bad makes a victim and demonizes God. You are the gaslighter.

Look buddy not everything has to be looked at through spirituality as a lens. 

You gotta learn to use basic rationality sometimes. 

You're about to tell us: " ohhh i went raping and murdering three people, however it's God's intelligent design and beauty shining though, after all i'm so intelligent that i understand i have no free will i can't choose not to rape and murder." You see how absurd this is ? 

[LordFall]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@LordFall Theres no such thing as bad. You saying bad makes a victim and demonizes God. You are the gaslighter.

If you deemed smoking 'good' there wouldnt be a victim. You are insane and dont know it.

You are trying to turn me into a victim.

Gaslighting is rewriting truth to fit your agenda. Smoking leads to massive increases in cancer and lowering of life quality as you get age. My mom died partly due to health complications due to smoking. It's a toxic habit with real consequences. 

If you're here to argue that human suffering is inconsequential and it doesn't matter if people are in pain and hurting their life quality then I will go right back to calling your argument insane my friend on top of you are clearly spiritually bypassing.

Edited 3 hours ago by LordFall

[Hojo]

@LordFall I can pick someone who died to to complications of having sex with 100 woman. And repeat the exact same thing back to you.

My father died partly due to health complications of STDs. Its toxic habit to have sex with so many woman.If you're here to argue that human suffering is inconsequential and it doesn't matter if people are in pain and hurting their life quality then I will go right back to calling your argument insane my friend on top of you are clearly spiritually bypassing.

[Hojo]

9 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Hojo 

Look buddy not everything has to be looked at through spirituality as a lens. 

You gotta learn to use basic rationality sometimes. 

You're about to tell us: " ohhh i went raping and murdering three people, however it's God's intelligent design and beauty shining though, after all i'm so intelligent that i understand i have no free will i can't choose not to rape and murder." You see how absurd this is ? 

If someone does that its not up to me to judge their actions. Your absurdity is thinking that God fucks up. God has never had something happen that shouldn't have happened. 

I used to loathe myself because of the things I had done or was doing. Then I saw God and God told me that everything I do is perfect. I saw we are not in control of whats happening. God is doing everything and everything I thought I was doing that was bad was actually Good.

I now know that fighting with life is a mistake.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Majed]

@Hojo 

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

If someone does that its not up to me to judge their actions. Your absurdity is thinking that God fucks up. God has never had something happen that shouldn't have happened.

Look buddy not everything is God related, your behavior is your responsibility, i would guess you need to consult a psychiatrist. Because wtf are you saying ? 

[Hojo]

@Majed What are you talking about everything is God? God is the only thing everything is related to? Are you okay?

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Someone here]

Smoking is a powerful addiction. I’ve struggled with it myself. I can walk away from almost anything for a while.. but cigarettes always seem to pull me back. No matter how determined I am.. after a month or two the cravings return and I find myself caught in the same cycle again. Right now I’ve been smoke-free for a week but the journey feels like a yo yo progress. setback and then starting over. That experience has given me a glimpse of how difficult addiction can be. If nicotine has such a strong grip ..I can only imagine how much harder it must be for someone battling alcohol or cocaine addiction.

The truth is that addiction rarely leads to peace..freedom..or happiness. It promises relief.. but often delivers suffering instead. If you continue down that path it won’t lift you up it will slowly pull you deeper into misery.

yea free will is a bunch of potato but to stop putting a cigarette in your mouth doesn’t require free will to exist .. it just requires not putting a cigarette in your mouth .

 

[Majed]

@Hojo

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@LordFall I can pick someone who died to to complications of having sex with 100 woman. And repeat the exact same thing back to you.

My father died partly due to health complications of STDs. Its toxic habit to have sex with so many woman.If you're here to argue that human suffering is inconsequential and it doesn't matter if people are in pain and hurting their life quality then I will go right back to calling your argument insane my friend on top of you are clearly spiritually bypassing.

I partially agree. @LordFall I think making sex a priority in one's life is foolish.

[Hojo]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Smoking is a powerful addiction. I’ve struggled with it myself. I can walk away from almost anything for a while.. but cigarettes always seem to pull me back. No matter how determined I am.. after a month or two the cravings return and I find myself caught in the same cycle again. Right now I’ve been smoke-free for a week but the journey feels like a yo yo progress. setback and then starting over. That experience has given me a glimpse of how difficult addiction can be. If nicotine has such a strong grip ..I can only imagine how much harder it must be for someone battling alcohol or cocaine addiction.

The truth is that addiction rarely leads to peace..freedom..or happiness. It promises relief.. but often delivers suffering instead. If you continue down that path it won’t lift you up it will slowly pull you deeper into misery.

yea free will is a bunch of potato but to stop putting a cigarette in your mouth doesn’t require free will to exist .. it just requires not putting a cigarette in your mouth .

 

The thing is you want to do it and are scared of God so you dont .

A man who lives in fear of what he wants is a coward.

Everytime you put cigarrette in your mouth you think God will punish me for this.

Thats brainwashing. God love you you are Gods best friend. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Majed]

@Hojo

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Majed What are you talking about everything is God? God is the only thing everything is related to? Are you okay?

Here we go again conflating absolute and relative matters. 

[Asia P]

@LordFall he treated me well both sober or high. But i was feeling too much sadness with him

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

The thing is you want to do it and are scared of God so you dont .

A man who lives in fear of what he wants is a coward.

Yes you could say that . I totally agree . The only thing is this is like going balls into the wall with your values as truth seeker or a radical person who doesn’t settle for anything less the full ugly truth . All that’s being asked from you is to understand that not all people view reality like that . Fear is a great shackle. Shame as well . 

[Hojo]

@Someone here The people on this forum has no idea what spirituality is. You having a cigarrette in your mouth is truth. There are 90 pecent people stuck in a mindset that bad or good exists.

You going to have one then saying no is denying truth.

You will respawn because you still want to smoke.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[LordFall]

2 minutes ago, Asia P said:

@LordFall he treated me well both sober or high. But i was feeling too much sadness with him

Did you tell him that and did he say he would work on it or dismiss it? It's not crazy to want to be with people with positive health habits if you want to spend a long time with them. As I said my mom passed away from complications related to smoking as well as I have a family friend who did quit smoking a few years ago because his doctor told him you have to quit or you will die soon. It ruins lives. 

8 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Hojo

I partially agree. @LordFall I think making sex a priority in one's life is foolish.

I'm confused how is this related? Use protection and only have sex with people who are tested if you're scared of STDs. Smoking in the US alone kills half a million people per year it's not really a close argument. 

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Someone here The people on this forum has no idea what spirituality is. You having a cigarrette in your mouth is truth. There are 90 pecent people stuck in a mindset that bad exists.

If you are still alive as a human body  then bad exists for you or you will be a beautiful corpse .

[Hojo]

1 minute ago, LordFall said:

Did you tell him that and did he say he would work on it or dismiss it? It's not crazy to want to be with people with positive health habits if you want to spend a long time with them. As I said my mom passed away from complications related to smoking as well as I have a family friend who did quit smoking a few years ago because his doctor told him you have to quit or you will die soon. It ruins lives. 

I'm confused how is this related? Use protection and only have sex with people who are tested if you're scared of STDs. Smoking in the US alone kills half a million people per year it's not really a close argument. 

The urge you have to want to have sex and the urge people have to have a smoke are the same thing.

[LordFall]

Just now, Hojo said:

The urge you have to want to have sex and the urge people have to have a smoke are the same thing.

Smoking is inhaling carcinogens for stress relief because you don't have any other healthy coping mechanisms put in place. People want to feel an end to their suffering and there is usually a quick way to do that or a more consciousness and more durable way. You conflating the two is a lack of spiritual understanding i.e. spiritual bypassing. 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Smoking is inhaling carcinogens for stress relief because you don't have any other healthy coping mechanisms put in place. People want to feel an end to their suffering and there is usually a quick way to do that or a more consciousness and more durable way. You conflating the two is a lack of spiritual understanding i.e. spiritual bypassing. 

This is naive reductionist mentality.  Yes I  smoke when I’m stressed in college or in crowded traffic . I also smoke to relax at night . I also smoke after eating a delicious dense meal . I also smoke before bed to sleep . I also smoke as soon as I wake up in the morning  by making a combo with French Coffe to refresh.  You saying smoking is just for stress relief is off the mark . 
im not trying to justify it . In one word it’s an addiction . Addiction by definition means imprisonment and misery . 

[Hojo]

I checked my body for stress it has 0 stress.

[LordFall]

49 minutes ago, Someone here said:

This is naive reductionist mentality.  Yes I  smoke when I’m stressed in college or in crowded traffic . I also smoke to relax at night . I also smoke after eating a delicious dense meal . I also smoke before bed to sleep . I also smoke as soon as I wake up in the morning  by making a combo with French Coffe to refresh.  You saying smoking is just for stress relief is off the mark . 
im not trying to justify it . In one word it’s an addiction . Addiction by definition means imprisonment and misery . 

I think you hit the nail on the head of why breaking an addiction is so difficult. At some point it becomes a tool for emotional regulation and control. I never got into cigarettes for too long just about a month but I vaped for years. I get the part that it becomes a lifestyle first thing you do when you get up and last thing you do when you go to bed. I think the elephant analogy works well here where the elephant still clings to the rope that stopped him when he was a child but he could break in an instant as an adult.

I'm sure there was a reason that you picked up the habit in the first place. What do you think it's doing for you now if anything? There is a reason that you keep doing it or perhaps you're the grown elephant now that doesn't get much out of it and can just snap out of it with some mindfulness. I think there are legitimate reasons to pick up an unhealthy coping mechanism like if you're in a shitty job and most of the peace you get in life comes from your controlled smoke/vaping breaks. Its perhaps possible to deal with it without it but right now the priority is paying the bills and not having a nervous breakdown for example. Even after that time of life is done though people generally keep the habit out of comfort. 

For me the worst one is weed. It became my comfort zone and when quitting I would get random longing for it if I saw a nice balcony or even a nice sunset I would be like damn it would be nice to smoke here. I would feel scared to enjoy life without my comfort zone. I'm still in it now but realizing more and more that I can enjoy life just the same high or not and I'm starting to allow myself to enjoy moments sober I would've only enjoyed high previously. Perhaps it's the same for you 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall