The dumbest collective shit test

[LordFall]

A lot of pickup teachers have unhealed emotional issues, in that situation it's quite hard to find fulfilment but it's not too far away. A bridge that's 80% built is 100% useless but it's not that far off from working as intended. Introspection on true desires and not societal expectations pushed on us is mandatory but once you do that I'd say for most guys getting some cool women into their life is gonna take care of a lot of their issues. Especially in the format that I've outlined above.  

I have worked with clients to help them build this out for themselves in different cities across Canada. I don't do it widely yet but this is when I met Mystery in Toronto through one of my clients that hired him as well. 

[Valach]

I am not gonna engage in this anymore. If you want to go ahead and engage in stage orange behaviour - but do not claim it is some highest truth or a pathway to happiness. It's not. 

[LordFall]

You can do pickup from any stage from purple to turquoise. If you do it from stage orange that's on you. Do not project your lack of success unto others, it's the furthest thing from the truth my friend. 

[Valach]

Why are you acting as if I am or rather I was not succesfull? You think only people who did not get the woman can disagree with you? I have told you many times that I have been through the journey. I am not some virgin newbie.
And not generally, you can't do the standart pickup with its standart goals from anything beyond orange. You can meet people from higher stages but it's not gonna be pickup.

[WonderSeeker]

51 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I'm sorry you had an unfulfilling time with your dating journey. My best advice would be to combine it with your overall life purpose as well as social circle. When you have women that help you reach your goals and you help them reach theirs instead of just prowling the streets for a vagina to fuck; the game changes completely.

Women are your comrades in reality and they are also looking for great adventures to embark on and have to face the difficulties of the marketplace and business world. If you're the man to solve that for them I guarantee you that fulfillment will be the least of your worries.

I think this is sound advice.

Maybe I'm going about it wrong but I haven't met a lot of women who could be this. Maybe 1-2 in my life so far.

And of course with the one I was seeing for a short time, we both ended up moving countries at the same time. So I haven't gotten to find out what sexual and personal co-evolution is like yet.

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Btw, just on a practical note for this thread, a lot of you guys aren't grasping what I actually said in the original post.

Note, "the actual number doesn't matter." It could be 100 or it could be 2. What i was saying was keeping an internal chalkboard of tallys for each person you bed is low-grade.

The issue is the concept body count in itself is hijacking your imagination and affecting how you see yourself and other people. 

It robs you of your presence as you go about your business in the sexual marketplace. Thats why emotioanlly/physiologically detaching from the concept is so important. That's the main thing I was hitting on.

Edited 9 hours ago by WonderSeeker

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You can do pickup from any stage from purple to turquoise. If you do it from stage orange that's on you. Do not project your lack of success unto others, it's the furthest thing from the truth my friend. 

I think you are assuming about @Valach.

From his history he has been quite successful.

It's possible others have been through similar experience to yourself and come out with totally different thoughts and conclusions. This is the same mechanism behind some people experiencing bad circumstances and one becoming traumatised, and another person, not.

Edited 9 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[WonderSeeker]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think you are assuming about @Valach.

From his history he has been quite successful.

It's possible others have been through similar experience to yourself and come out with totally different thoughts and conclusions. This is exactly how some people can go through the same bad circumstances and one becomes traumatised, and another person not.

Also good point. Of all the partners I've had — from a 1 hour affair to a 3 year relationship — I've had a wide range of experiences. Trauma. Ecstasy. Depression. Pure happiness. 

@Valach and @LordFall I'd like to see you guys continue to hash this out, minus the negativity. You're both providing some good perspectives. 

Edited 9 hours ago by WonderSeeker

[Valach]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think you are assuming about @Valach.

From his history he has been quite successful.

It's possible others have been through similar experience to yourself and come out with totally different thoughts and conclusions. This is the same mechanism behind some people experiencing bad circumstances and one becoming traumatised, and another person, not.

I wouldn't say I was traumatised at all from it. Obviously I have trauma carried over from child-hood like most people but most of my interactions with woman were quite postiive. All I am saying that I came to conclusion that pickup, getting woman, increasing body counts etc. are not fullfilling things at all. Having deep, intimate relationships can be, sure - but that is antithesis of pickup and in no way related to getting your body-count up. Same conclusion I got from guys who went through the journey. It's only the most immature ones that kept sleeping around and getting new woman. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Valach said:

I wouldn't say I was traumatised at all from it. Obviously I have trauma carried over from child-hood like most people but most of my interactions with woman were quite postiive. All I am saying that I came to conclusion that pickup, getting woman, increasing body counts etc. are not fullfilling things at all. Having deep, intimate relationships can be, sure - but that is antithesis of pickup and in no way related to getting your body-count up. Same conclusion I got from guys who went through the journey. It's only the most immature ones that kept sleeping around and getting new woman. 

I get you. Apologies for the confusion - the trauma comment was just an example of how each of us go through things, but some never reach higher states of consciousness or learn the lesson present. Sometimes we learn different things due to conclusions we draw and meanings we make. 

Confusing example 

[Valach]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I get you. Apologies for the confusion - the trauma comment was just an example of how each of us go through things, but some never reach higher states of consciousness or learn the lesson present. Sometimes we learn different things due to conclusions we draw and meanings we make. 

Confusing example 

No worries

[LordFall]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think you are assuming about @Valach.

From his history he has been quite successful.

It's possible others have been through similar experience to yourself and come out with totally different thoughts and conclusions. This is the same mechanism behind some people experiencing bad circumstances and one becoming traumatised, and another person, not.

Not at all. He admitted himself that his form of pickup was spam approaching women on the street. This is is a low form of pickup and seduction. I'm not surprised it lead him to not find fulfilment or satisfaction in it. He literally projected on me that everyone does stage orange pickup since he did it. 

I've already explained last page what is a better way to go about it. What I described is like stage yellow game as it is based on holism and not quick sex. 

 

4 hours ago, WonderSeeker said:

I think this is sound advice.

Maybe I'm going about it wrong but I haven't met a lot of women who could be this. Maybe 1-2 in my life so far.

And of course with the one I was seeing for a short time, we both ended up moving countries at the same time. So I haven't gotten to find out what sexual and personal co-evolution is like yet.

The best way to think of it is viewing your dating life and social circle as an extension of another and looking at it more in terms of farming than hunting. Meaning that you're basically creating a fertile oasis for everyone to benefit and then finding the women that are particularly into you from there and dating one or many of them depending on what you're into.

For example I'm in the creative industry and host photoshoots with models, photographers, content creators, influencers, etc. A lot of attractive women in that industry obviously. I've hosted events now in Toronto, Calgary and Kelowna around it. I'll be doing it over the summer in Montreal. I own accounts and group chats in each city around it now with hundreds of people in them. I help the women(and the men as well) with their creative goals and give them content help and give them tips on finding sponsors and monetizing their brand. 

https://www.instagram.com/creatives_toronto - This is one of my accounts for example

You see how this is much more holistic than just cold approaching women on the street? I'm a logical guy so I spend my time thinking about business, marketing, finance, etc. So might as well share that knowledge with other people that usually don't find reading books about those topics interesting. I have spent the last 4 years hosting events around it. They're quite fun and it's fulfilling for me to learn how to make cooler and bigger events and travel to different cities to do so. I hosted a fashion show in Calgary last year for example.

If you go with this strategy you must utilise the sowing vs reaping principle meaning that you provide people in your community/social circle genuine value and good times and don't just use it as a cheap ploy to get laid. I used to hangout with club promoters and dating coaches a lot in Toronto and this is my own version of this funnel. I've gotten laid many times from social circle game, it's a much funner way to date than just cold approach or online dating as you're also friends with the women you date and over time you get access to way more attractive women than you would just being a random guy on the street like it seems Valach was saying he burnt out doing.

Every man has different interests and skillsets and thus their setup will look different but for me the creative industry makes a lot of sense and is quite fun to be around.

I talk about it more in this thread if you guys are curious 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by LordFall

[Valach]

21 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Not at all. He admitted himself that his form of pickup was spam approaching women on the street. This is is a low form of pickup and seduction. I'm not surprised it lead him to not find fulfilment or satisfaction in it. He literally projected on me that everyone does stage orange pickup since he did it. 

I've already explained last page what is a better way to go about it. What I described is like stage yellow game as it is based on holism and not quick sex. 

 

I am sorry, but I am seriously disappointed by you at this point. You are just trying to always try to spin it off as that there must be something wrong with me.

My statement in the spam approaching was in completely different context - you were literally praising social momentum and that was my counter argument - it does not address the deeper issue. I have done plenty of different approaches and bottom line is -> sleeping around is low consciousness and is not fulfilling no matter which way you stretch it. I mean you follow Leo I assume since you are on the forum - he says exactly the same thing.

I seriously doubt anyone who is yellow would even say stuff like "I want to have bodycount of 100". Like common brother. I don't want to give get into any personal anecdotes around here. Just stop spinning the stuff around here so much. If you just want to fuck around, be my host. But don't present it as some higher virtue. It's not.

Edited 4 hours ago by Valach

[something_else]

Mine is pretty high, but I never set out to "sleep with 100 women", I just kind of got there over several years by partying and travelling a lot. Largely all of this was done under the lens of improving my social skills and overcoming social anxiety rather than actual 'pickup'.

Setting yourself a goal of sleeping with 100 women is quite odd, and I think pickup as a framework is quite degenerate in general. Especially the spammy high street kind.

[LordFall]

Yes there is something wrong in the way you do pickup and that's why you're not fulfilled with it. That's my claim and I've explained my reasoning behind it. You seem have a dense ego with how you refuse to admit your shortcomings and stick to your position even when presented with evidence that invalidates it so I don't think you're very coachable which is another reason why you're stuck in your journey. 

Yes I've followed Leo since he posted that rant against PUA videos 10 years ago which is why my game was built with depth to avoid the pitfalls he pointed out in it. I'm thankful to him for that, it was a great video. 

If you find meaning and fulfillment in your life outside of relationships then more power to you. Feel free to share what's worked for you since you gave them up. 

Edited 4 hours ago by LordFall

[Valach]

4 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Yes there is something wrong in the way you do pickup and that's why you're not fulfilled with it. That's my claim and I've explained my reasoning behind it. You seem have a dense ego with how you refuse to admit your shortcomings and stick to your position even when presented with evidence that invalidates it so I don't think you're very coachable which is another reason why you're stuck in your journey. 

If you find meaning and fulfillment in your life outside of relationships then more power to you. Feel free to share what's worked for you since you gave them up. 

What worked for me the most - Deep relationships, especially platonic ones. Inner journey and inner healing, healing my self esteem and overcoming shame I had in myself. And living according to my values (higher ones but that is hard to define). And obviously life purpose.

Pickup is problematic of course. So is general hedonistic lifestyle, which is really the only way to get into high body counts.

I mean you are talking about some argument but what is your argument? When I say "sleeping around and making dating priority of your life is not fulfilling and low consciousness from my personal experience and from experience of guys who went though this and matured up" you come up with argument "you just did it in the wrong way".

Have you taken Leo's life purpose course? He even talks about sex being of lower value in there.

As I have said I don't have issue with guys when they want to pursue this lifestyle. But why come to forum about consciousness and develpement and talk about how high up this stuff is when even the creator of this forum says its not? 

[LordFall]

Because I'm injecting consciousness and development in the discussion which is obviously lacking. Leo mostly did pickup from that solely cold approach stand point and he seems to have hit a wall in the type of women that he managed to integrate into his life. He should also come at it from a more stage yellow integral perspective and I believe he will have much more success.

I agree that deep relationships are key which is why I find that the social circle model much way better in achieving fulfillment in your relationships, romantic and otherwise. I'm getting my long term friends to follow this and come to my events as well. There was a lot of resistance at the start but they seem to be enjoying it now and helping me scale them in an interdependent way which is great. A friend of mine helped me on a podcast I did in Calgary and another hosted an investment event with me and before I moved cities we started going out again regularly which was a lot of fun and pushed my own boundaries in the process.

I actually am not really a cold approach guy and there's still a lot of development I find doing it. Part of it is self-esteem and proving to myself that I am worthy of talking to the hottest women I find and they seem to be more and more into me the further in my journey I get so it's quite healing and gratifying to pursue. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I simply cannot see a tier 2 thinker aiming for high bodycount as any sort of valid goal. There is nothing progressive about attaching to a concept like bodycount.

No one has supplied a good argument for this. Bodycount is totally meaningless.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall imo you missed removed all context from @Valach's posts and, as a result, misunderstood.

[LordFall]

12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@LordFall imo you missed removed all context from @Valach's posts and, as a result, misunderstood.

Which one of his points do you think I misunderstood? 

 If someone is not comfortable with sexuality and doesn't wish to get over that discomfort and thus raise their bodycount then that's their life I don't really care. For me sexuality is thrilling, fulfilling and an exciting adventure so I have pursued plenty of partners in the past and plan to pursue many other sexual connections. Increasing bodycount is just a consequence of that, it's not really the concept that's worth getting stuck over.

I'm not really into one night stands so for me building a polycule is the next logical step in my life. I aim to date a few bisexual women and travel the world with them and sleep with women all around the world.

I'm also bisexual myself so perhaps that's another key to this discussion, I'm more comfortable in sexuality than most people. I'm just starting to explore that side of life so far it's been a good time! 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[Schizophonia]

I had sex some times with escorts girls and saw sex as incredibly overrated; i got infinitely more pleasure from psychedelics.

40mg of 4ho met and i stroke myself sweating erotism for one hour.