How did the ( Illusion ) the sense of separation start?

[Mellowmarsh]

By categorising the world into subjects ("I") and objects ("everything else"), we create a fundamental duality. This subject-object split fragments our perception, causing us to view ourselves as isolated observers navigating a separate universe, rather than an integral part of it. 

The illusion ends as and through thought-free silence. 

The real and true is what’s left, just this simple unclaimed absolute complete uninterrupted peace of God’s open secret hidden in plain sight. Always here and never not here. 

[Someone here]

It occurs In the brain . Newborns are conscious but they are not “self-conscious “. The sense of I arises in the brain around 4 years old to help the organism survive .

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It occurs In the brain . Newborns are conscious but they are not “self-conscious “. The sense of I arises in the brain around 4 years old to help the organism survive .

Yes indeed, how wonderful. 🤗 

[Mellowmarsh]

It’s like having the best of both worlds. Like "living in two worlds" referring to the simultaneous experience of the tangible, physical realm and the unseen, spiritual dimension. It represents the balance between navigating daily earthly responsibilities and maintaining a deep, intuitive connection with higher consciousness.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

It happens when you fall and hit your head on a rock. Your system identifies: rock, me, pain. It's not an illusion, it's reality.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It happens when you fall and hit your head on a rock. Your system identifies: rock, me, pain. It's not an illusion, it's reality.

The separation is a real illusion.

 "An illusion shared by everyone becomes a reality." 

[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The separation is a real illusion.

 "An illusion shared by everyone becomes a reality." 

You don't need that anyone tells you, if I hit my head with a rock you don't feel pain, but if it's your head yes. Then your head is separate from my head, and the rock is separate from both. Where is the mystery?

[Grateful Dead]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

You don't need that anyone tells you, if I hit my head with a rock you don't feel pain, but if it's your head yes. Then your head is separate from my head, and the rock is separate from both. Where is the mystery?

So, if a stone falls on your head in a dream tonight and you feel pain, does that prove that the stone in the dream is truly separate from your body in the dream?

If you don't like the dream analogy, you can instead turn to quantum physics. From that perspective, the universe is a single, invisible underlying fabric. Within it, a head and a stone are not isolated objects, but merely local nodes - condensations within this continuous medium. In this context, your pain is simply the collision of these nodes. And your brain, in this sense, acts as a receiver that filters the data. Thus, within this framework, separation is not a factual reality, but rather a filtering function of your nervous system, one that screens out this shared reality in the course of everyday life.

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Grateful Dead said:

So, if a stone falls on your head in a dream tonight and you feel pain, does that prove that the stone in the dream is truly separate from your body in the dream?

No, it proves that if was a dream created by your brain. The proof is that next day there is not any hurt. I could imagine a stone now and it's different than the creation of the brain when the information of a real stone is transmitted by the eye, it's another level of representation

When you dream a stone it's because you have seen real stones , then the brain remember them. If you were blind from birth you couldn't dream stones

I know that spirituality denies the reality, but it doesn't make sense. It's like being a believer I in flat earth, just scapism 

Edited 3 minutes ago by Breakingthewall