The Ocean of Being / Enlightenment in daily life

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Only 2 person understood what I say, one is you, second person is banned.

And only person who was enlightened in this forum @Nahm got banned to 😂 

I will and maybe you will soon 😂 

I hear you man. 
 

We’re all walking the razors edge of creation … so let’s just wait and see what happens to you, and maybe me… maybe here today, gone tomorrow, just like you’ve been saying in your absofuckinlutely  amazing posts. 

 

 

[Grateful Dead]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

No.

There is nothing except You.

Entire existence is just a drop in ocean. 

So, the reason why you don't remember because, there was only You. Just Being.

Body and love is just a temporary gift. No experience, feeling is forever. Only You.

Think about Brazil, see Brazil exist now, think about Africa, see Brazil is gone Africa is exist.

Anything and everything happens within You, just experience trough body. And when body is gone, experience gone. 

Pure being is not just a void. As you yourself confirmed earlier, being is fullness. It is creation itself, and it expands infinitely; that is love.

To me, it sounds as if you believe that when the body dies, life, and therefore love, also dies.

For me, love is the essence of being; what you experience as a body is only a shadow of it.

The body, in my view, is not what enables experience, but rather what limits it. It's kind of like shining a flashlight in a dark room and thinking that's the only reason you experience the light. The sun shines even when your little flashlight is off.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

If someone genuinely believes and feels that they experience what they're saying, if theyre being defensive etc it might not feel to them like they are "defending a fasade" for its own sake but rather just defending what they actually believe , something like that came to my mind 

Yes, the problem is getting defensive instead explaining your point from different perspectives and have a change of ideas. 

Then you are not defending a facade but your need of superiority. It's a level of being that is good to understand in the slippery topic of spirituality 

I know that I talk a lot and like I know everything, but I do because I can't avoid looking everything and it's frustrating can't express oneself, not because I need being better than you. At least is how I see it, I think it's important to try to be honest with oneself, but sure no one is invulnerable to self deception 

Edited 10 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, the problem is getting defensive instead explaining your point from different perspectives and have a change of ideas. 

Then you are not defending a facade but your need of superiority. It's a level of being that is good to understand in the slippery topic of spirituality 

Then it’s better to build bridges instead of walls. 
 

 

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, the problem is getting defensive instead explaining your point from different perspectives and have a change of ideas. 

Id agree

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you are not defending a facade but your need of superiority. It's a level of being that is good to understand in the slippery topic of spirituality 

I think I see your point

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

the slippery topic of spirituality 

 Our words can chain the dragon or set it loose.

[James123]

32 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

Pure being is not just a void. As you yourself confirmed earlier, being is fullness. It is creation itself, and it expands infinitely; that is love.

To me, it sounds as if you believe that when the body dies, life, and therefore love, also dies.

For me, love is the essence of being; what you experience as a body is only a shadow of it.

The body, in my view, is not what enables experience, but rather what limits it. It's kind of like shining a flashlight in a dark room and thinking that's the only reason you experience the light. The sun shines even when your little flashlight is off.

Love is the expression of life. When life ends, all the pleasures and suffering ends.

Actually anything you name, label, feel and experience will end. 

Only You , Be, always.

[Sugarcoat]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I know that I talk a lot and like I know everything, but I do because I can't avoid looking everything and it's frustrating can't express oneself, not because I need being better than you. At least is how I see it, I think it's important to try to be honest with oneself, but sure no one is invulnerable to self deception

Yea I dont get the vibe of you "needing to be better" or whatever, it has felt genuine to me, but as you say its not like you're perfect obviously, someone like  Jesus wasn't either , is my impression. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Then it’s better to build bridges instead of walls. 
 

 

Sure but for building those bridges you have to break the walls first 

[Grateful Dead]

39 minutes ago, James123 said:

Love is the expression of life.

It is not merely the expression of life; that, in my view, is the interpretation of the mind. Love is the substance of being.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Grateful Dead said:

It is not merely the expression of life; that, in my view, is the interpretation of the mind. Love is the substance of being.

What about when mind dies?

[Grateful Dead]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

What about when mind dies?

It depends on what exactly we are talking about.

If you mean the temporary ego-mind, it will simply vanish into nothingness.

If we are speaking of the mind as source, then it depends. If you have liberated the mind, it will fully remember its true nature. If not, then the projection of the mind will continue in a form similar to the present one.

[James123]

43 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

It depends on what exactly we are talking about.

If you mean the temporary ego-mind, it will simply vanish into nothingness.

If we are speaking of the mind as source, then it depends. If you have liberated the mind, it will fully remember its true nature. If not, then the projection of the mind will continue in a form similar to the present one.

What about liberated or unliberated minds are just game of the mind, and with death (either way) mind will vanish?

[Joseph Maynor]

@James123  Can you explain your spiritual point of view in a succinct paragraph?

[Joseph Maynor]

6 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

We’re all walking the razors edge of creation

Can you elaborate on this?

[Grateful Dead]

44 minutes ago, James123 said:

What about liberated or unliberated minds are just game of the mind, and with death (either way) mind will vanish?

So you believe that when the body-mind dies, the game simply comes to an end? And then what?

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

So you believe that when the body-mind dies, the game simply comes to an end? And then what?

No, I neither believe nor don't believe in anything. Beliefs, knowledges, experiences, feelings, thinking are function of the body. İf you say this is a belief, actually not. I move my hand and drink water. Same as that, I do not evaluate, imagine or assumption meaning of words, they are just what they are, that's all.

Even reincarnation is a belief that's created via mind. When one deeply looks, it is inevitable not see nothing has never happened, only attachment to thoughts, that's all. Of course stimulation of body constant therefore, it is very hard to be always, yet in meditation, in bus, sleeping, when situation is not be solved via thinking or feeling (if the body stimulation is not constant) there is no life nor time for me. 

[Mellowmarsh]

33 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Can you elaborate on this?

Apophatic Creation (The Unknown): Creation is understood as the manifestation of divine energy. Because the ultimate reality (the Absolute or Brahman) is boundless and uncreated, it cannot be fully conceptualized by the human mind. Walking the razor's edge means embracing the unknown—the delicate, silent space beyond ego, words, and thoughts.

Dualities of the Material World: Creation is built on dualities (good vs. evil, pleasure vs. pain, material vs. spiritual). The razor's edge represents the perfect "middle way" where you exist in the material world without being consumed by it. 

[Joseph Maynor]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

Only 2 person understood what I say, one is you, second person is banned.

And only person who was enlightened in this forum @Nahm got banned to 😂 

I will and maybe you will soon 😂 

I agree Phill seemed to love your insights.

[Grateful Dead]

22 minutes ago, James123 said:

No, I neither believe nor don't believe in anything. Beliefs, knowledges, experiences, feelings, thinking are function of the body. İf you say this is a belief, actually not. I move my hand and drink water.

When you move your hand to drink water, why do think you do that?   

It's because you believe that you are a body that requires water to survive. If you truly believed in nothing, then there would be no reason to sustain the body or to claim it as your own.