We Need to Start Bullying AI Slop Again

[Basman]

6 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thats a human tendency, why would you blame AI

Because they enable delusion and make it worse. They affirm nearly anything you say. With a little tinkering they will affirm anything you say. AI itself will confidently say untrue things all the time. It's a very easily abused tool.

Just look at the previous video. They had to put in safeguards to stop people from acting like ChatGPT is their SO.

Edited 9 hours ago by Basman

[UnbornTao]

A couple of examples of AI getting it wrong:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DelusionsOfAdequacy/comments/1tr4k70/i_guess_ive_been_fluent_in_spanish_this_whole/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BBJa32lCaaY

Edited 9 hours ago by UnbornTao

[zurew]

13 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thats a human tendency, why would you blame AI

There are people who can make you go crazy and who can affirm delusions endlessly, but usually those people arent treated as all-knowing gods, arent avalaible for 24/7 and when they have credentials  they are usually constrained by financial and legal and cultural incentives (to be more responsible) .

Given how user glazing and accomodating AI currently is right now; it isn't just an issue for delusional and mentally ill people, but it is a big issue for everyone, because it makes us much more biased.

Edited 3 hours ago by zurew

[Sugarcoat]

6 hours ago, Basman said:

Because they enable delusion and make it worse. They affirm nearly anything you say. With a little tinkering they will affirm anything you say. AI itself will confidently say untrue things all the time. It's a very easily abused tool.

Just look at the previous video. They had to put in safeguards to stop people from acting like ChatGPT is their SO.

I have only used the basic AI, not much experience, but I got the impression they are just pulling info from other sources so it's just giving you info in the AI style of writing, so if they're affirming you its because the sources say its true. Just because AI is also friendly or whatever doesn't mean its "affirming" 

I mean if someone has capacity to feel less lonely thanks to AI, I dont really see big problem in it, its not hurting anyone  

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, zurew said:

There are people who can make you go crazy and who can affirm delusions endlessly, but usually those people arent treated as all-knowing gods, arent avalaible for 24/7 and when they have credentials  they are usually constrained by financial and legal and cultural incentives (to be more responsible) .

Given how user glazing and accomodating AI currently is right now; it isn't just an issue for delusional and mentally ill people, but it is a big issue for everyone, because it makes us much more biased.

Maybe you guys are referring to the other AI ive just used the basics and I think the pros far outweighs the cons so its not seen as issue for me. Maybe ive not been keeping up with this thread, nvm me then 

Youre talking about it like you're charmed by ai or something lol 

Edited 2 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Basman]

Bias is a mf.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Sugarcoat They mostly only refer to the ChatGTP as an example for ass kissing, ignoring all the other LLMs currently available. I also distinctly remember that it was worked on and nerfed to a degree. Just goes to show you how slow most humans are, regurgitating the same issues and topics over and over again

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@Sugarcoat They mostly only refer to the ChatGTP as an example for ass kissing, ignoring all the other LLMs currently available. I also distinctly remember that it was worked on and nerfed to a degree. Just goes to show you how slow most humans are, regurgitating the same issues and topics over and over again

Ok thanks for the simplification. Yea people love "pointing out tendencies" its like stimulation for them 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

53 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I mean if someone has capacity to feel less lonely thanks to AI, I dont really see big problem in it, its not hurting anyone  

Do you think this will suppliment human / human relationships, or act as a deterrent? 

It could go either way. I suspect there will be onflow effects of people coping with loneliness with AI. It will depend on the user themselves and their temparement.

I often wonder if those who look to develop a relationship or connection with AI are skewing their own capacity for relationship down. Real human relationships involve things AI fundamentally lacks; genuine mutual vulnerability, independent desires and boundaries, unpredictability and the possibility of rejection, negotiating between competing needs. Even shared consequences in the real world. All these are pretty uncomfortable, but they are features not bugs. These elements are what I think make human relationships transformative.

AI can exist to simulate some of the friction, but it ultimately exists to respond to the user. The risk could be that human / human relationships feel like a burden in comparison to ones with AI. But this effect isn't just isolated to AI either - you could argue similarly about texting replacing face to face interaction. People still from connections despite this. So it might not have any lasting effect on real relationships (using AI as a cope for loneliness).

At a guess I'd say AI will just amplify existing tendancies. Most modern technology and advancement seems to simply be amplifying what already exists in humans and the social domain, rather than directly be the cause. 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Do you think this will suppliment human / human relationships 

No

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

or act as a deterrent? 

Dont know what you mean by this

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It could go either way. I suspect there will be onflow effects of people coping with loneliness with AI. It will depend on the user themselves and their temparement.

I often wonder if those who look to develop a relationship or connection with AI are skewing their own capacity for relationship down. Real human relationships involve things AI fundamentally lacks; genuine mutual vulnerability, independent desires and boundaries, unpredictability and the possibility of rejection, negotiating between competing needs. Even shared consequences in the real world. All these are pretty uncomfortable, but they are features not bugs. These elements are what I think make human relationships transformative.

AI can exist to simulate some of the friction, but it ultimately exists to respond to the user. The risk could be that human / human relationships feel like a burden in comparison to ones with AI. But this effect isn't just isolated to AI either - you could argue similarly about texting replacing face to face interaction. People still from connections despite this. So it might not have any lasting effect on real relationships (using AI as a cope for loneliness).

At a guess I'd say AI will just amplify existing tendancies. Most modern technology and advancement seems to simply be amplifying what already exists in humans and the social domain, rather than directly be the cause. 

Yea id say I agree with you. The desire for irl human connections is so strong for most people so its probably not gonna have significant effect for most, also in comparison to other forms of usage of internet (like scrolling for hours on tik tok) I think AI is better in comparison, considering people use internet a lot anyways. It engages the mind more, less passive (as I said before I think mainly about the basic AI as I haven't explored the other ones). As you suggest, someone with that tendency to be exclusive to AI (lol) would have probably found another way to do it even if the AI didn't exist, if it makes sense what im saying 

[zurew]

30 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Youre talking about it like you're charmed by ai or something lol 

Yeah not sure why you think this is something weird, when non-AI algorithms were already capable to mindfuck you and to make you quadruple down on all your psychological defects.

All time on site business models use AI to curate their algorithms and they were capable to make millions of humans to get addicted to their sites. Meta's AI can probably predict your next word better than your mom could and it knows your interests better than your family ( for example - facebook ads are insane).

Also its not just that the dead internet theory is real now, but it is the case that even when in reality you interact with humans, those lazy fucking humans will use AI to interact with you and some of them will copy paste AI junk and arguments. (There are a bunch of users even on this site, who will copy paste AI arguments and thats how they will reply to your questions and arguments , and the sad thing is that some of them doesnt understand the content of the argument that the AI made for them or the relevancy of it to the underlying problem).

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, zurew said:

Yeah not sure why you think this is something weird, when non-AI algorithms were already capable to mindfuck you and to make you quadruple down on all your psychological defects.

Im not sure we are interpreting the word charmed the same way

10 minutes ago, zurew said:

All time on site business models use AI to curate their algorithms and they were capable to make millions of humans to get addicted to their sites. Meta's AI can probably predict your next word better than your mom could and it knows your interests better than your family ( for example - facebook ads are insane).

Also its not just that the dead internet theory is real now, but it is the case that even when in reality you interact with humans, those lazy fucking humans will use AI to interact with you and some of them will copy paste AI junk and arguments. (There are a bunch of users even on this site, who will copy paste AI arguments and thats how they will reply to your questions and arguments , and the sad thing is that some of them doesnt understand the content of the argument that the AI made for them or the relevancy of it to the underlying problem).

I see what you're saying here and id say I agree for the most part. Ive thought about it too, how I feel many use AI in this lazy way, so it's enabling laziness (thinking about those who write peoples texts etc not simple asking questions). I also have thought how some AI is just excessive to me, for example I bought these headphones and I thought to myself in a funny way "im literally just trying to listen to music, why is there an entire app with all these AI functions for them" 😂😂

Edited 1 hour ago by Sugarcoat