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[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s okay, you’re not alone in not-knowing.

What is this conveying?  

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What is this conveying?  

It’s conveying it’s not a “someone” that knows. You are the knowing that cannot be known, because the known knows nothing.
 

This knowing is alone, one without a second, identical to not-alone. 
 

 

[VeganAwake]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I can meditate in absolute silence, even walking on the street. I'm not thinking about that self that you mention, it's just presence, but this presence is recognition of being itself. Also I can vape 40 mg nndmt, 20 of 5meo, without any hallucinations, just a hole where the mind use to be, and it's the same: presence that means recognition of being. Also big dose of mushroom, with hallucinations, but same, zero thoughts, only forms and colors, and it's the same, presence, recognition of being.

That is the fact of being conscious, if there is consciousness there is recognition of being. And this is the self. Then a model of reality based in human interaction is created, it's not false, it's a level of organization of the self. You can erase that level and there is still presence, and presence equates to self. 

That's why al hallaj, etc, said I'm the truth, etc . They mean that they are what is. The reality. 

You should talk about those enlightened people I quote. Are them delusional according your view? Nisgardatta, Ramana, Ramakrishna, Jesus, meister Eckhart, etc. Don't be offensive as a defense, just give your opinion 

Then that's what's being experienced there! It's whole, complete and perfect.

There is no issue here with that or what anyone else you mentioned believes or has said 🙏

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's whole, complete and perfect.

Whole complete and perfect are not opposite to the existence of a self. What I mean is that consciousness implies a self.

What is consciousness according to you? It is subjective experience right? "Subjective" "perceived" "being aware". Don't you see it? Implies self for the very fact of its structure. Maybe not the ego , a clean self without identification, but consciousness and self are inseparable 

Btw, what a boring people around here, this is an interesting topic but nobody is interested. They are interested only in solipsism.

[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Don't you see it

 

The "it" does not refer to a specific person, or object. Instead, it functions as a dummy subject (or placeholder) 

Dummy subject see nothing, know nothing.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

42 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

The "it" does not refer to a specific person, or object. Instead, it functions as a dummy subject (or placeholder) 

Dummy subject see nothing, know nothing.

 

 

How do you know that?

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

How do you know that?

I don’t. I doesn’t know. I is already being known. The known knows nothing.

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-06-12 at 5:35 AM, VeganAwake said:

Yup, and that process feels like a slow rebalancing of energy distribution. 

The self character isn't forgotten. It’s been at the forefront of the mind for a very long time and there are long-term habits/preferences still intact. Some of those things change rather quickly and some don't.

The things that did change quickly seemed to be directly tied to that conditioned self character.......for example the self guilt about desperately needing to advance my rank in the military to keep up with the competition, that almost dropped immediately. Also my fitness goals changed really quickly. 

The entire concern about upholding my overall professional image dropped basically. 

As far as the acting out roles thing.....its similar to an actor/actress playing a fictional character. The actor knows the character isn't real, but when they are playing the role, it's almost as if the body's energy brings it to life.

Something that wasn't expected was how clearly the understanding is of how this sense of self becomes so prevalent in each body/mind. 

 

 

It's like everything changes and nothing changes. 

I didn't stop being a father, in fact it's much better because there isn't a me trying to play out my hopes and dreams through my boys. It's easy to tell what they are interested in......just have to pay attention to them!

That sounds like a state that is becoming more and more effortless

If you dont mind, for how long has this been going on for you, this process? 

Im asking because the way you describe, I can relate to the descriptions, except that knowing of the "unrealness" of self. Thats why im curious. As you say "understanding of how this sense of self becomes so prevalent in each body/mind". Yea ive noticed how when things shifts in me then it also changes how I experience others and what kind of "self" I pick up/sense from them, and naturally I think about how it all works  . 

Yea it makes sense that the kind of change you describe would help your parenthood 😄

Edited 2 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

How do you know that?

Those exacttt words are what I have thought in my mind when I have read your detailed intricate descriptions of the nature of reality and the "cosmos" ☠️ Just causal everyday observations for you I guess 😂😂😂

Edited 1 hour ago by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Those exacttt words are what I have thought in my mind when I have read your detailed intricate descriptions of the nature of reality and the "cosmos" ☠️ Just causal everyday observations for you I guess 😂😂😂

Just logical deductions. Removing what is impossible and let's see what apparently possible remains. For example, how could be the reality limited? It's logically impossible. Then if the reality is unlimited, how could be the reality a god with a concrete will? It's logically impossible, etc

Edited 7 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Whole complete and perfect are not opposite to the existence of a self. What I mean is that consciousness implies a self.

What is consciousness according to you? It is subjective experience right? "Subjective" "perceived" "being aware". Don't you see it? Implies self for the very fact of its structure. Maybe not the ego , a clean self without identification, but consciousness and self are inseparable 

Btw, what a boring people around here, this is an interesting topic but nobody is interested. They are interested only in solipsism.

This is an amazing often hillarious joust. Nothing to add except Godspeed to you both.