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[Someone here]

@UnbornTao here goes the first one today lol 😂

[UnbornTao]

17 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@UnbornTao here goes the first one today lol 😂

😁 Why won't you let me proselytize to you already? 😡 

[Sugarcoat]

Wait until he tells you to contemplate it too, I can feel it coming 

 

Edited Sunday at 02:30 PM by Sugarcoat

[Joseph Maynor]

On 5/28/2026 at 10:24 PM, VeganAwake said:

I'm sure it's both, but ultimately it's nothing 🤷‍♂️

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  Maybe that is your point.

[Someone here]

@UnbornTao

I don’t believe personality is something fixed or intrinsic. In many ways we are not our personality at all. Every action.. reaction..thought  and emotion we experience is shaped by countless factors that lie outside our conscious control like  our genetics.. upbringing ..environment.. diet..sleep quality..hormone levels..blood sugar.. and even seemingly insignificant events from the previous day like what I ate for dinner last night .

All of these variables influence our mood, and behavior. When I’m in a bad mood and someone provokes me..I’m not convinced that the anger I feel is something I consciously create. It seems more accurate to say that anger emerges from a chain of causes and conditions that were already in motion before I became aware of it.

From my perspective..what  we call “personality”  is not an independent entity that freely chooses how to think..feel..and act.  Yeah I know the good ol’ determinism vs free will thing again .If you disagree.. I’d be interested to hear why.

 

[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@UnbornTao

I don’t believe personality is something fixed or intrinsic. In many ways we are not our personality at all. Every action.. reaction..thought  and emotion we experience is shaped by countless factors that lie outside our conscious control like  our genetics.. upbringing ..environment.. diet..sleep quality..hormone levels..blood sugar.. and even seemingly insignificant events from the previous day like what I ate for dinner last night .

All of these variables influence our mood, and behavior. When I’m in a bad mood and someone provokes me..I’m not convinced that the anger I feel is something I consciously create. It seems more accurate to say that anger emerges from a chain of causes and conditions that were already in motion before I became aware of it.

From my perspective..what  we call “personality”  is not an independent entity that freely chooses how to think..feel..and act.  Yeah I know the good ol’ determinism vs free will thing again .If you disagree.. I’d be interested to hear why.

 

So it seems you take an entirely human perspective as to the self?

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

So it seems you take an entirely human perspective as to the self?

What I was saying that “the human self “ doesn’t actually exist in reality as a fixed thing that has its own independent existence or at least it’s an emergent phenomenon which other external factors construct . I’ve talked plenty of time in the past that I easily get angry and triggered when toxic people provoke me .. and people here told me in a Ralston’s style “you are creating the anger . The other person can’t make you angry if you don’t allow them to “ . And I explained above why that doesn’t make any sense to me.

[Joseph Maynor]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What I was saying that “the human self “ doesn’t actually exist in reality as a fixed thing that has its own independent existence or at least it’s an emergent phenomenon which other external factors construct . I’ve talked plenty of time in the past that I easily get angry and triggered when toxic people provoke me .. and people here told me in a Ralston’s style “you are creating the anger . The other person can’t make you angry if you don’t allow them to “ . And I explained above why that doesn’t make any sense to me.

Do you really think this?  

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Do you really think this?  

Yes I do. 

[Joseph Maynor]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes I do. 

Then what do you see as the beyond human?

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Then what do you see as the beyond human?

There’s a human being called Joseph. I’m not denying that . What I’m saying this Joseph is not intrinsically independently existing . Air from the outside environment entering your body 24/7. The food you eat create the very physical tissues of your muscles. The podcasts you listen to shape your way of thinking . I’m Indian yet listening and reading content with English has made me literally thinking in English instead of Hindi . Do you see ? “I” am not the creator of what I utter or do . It seems like I’m the emergence of things which are not me . I can’t be blamed 100% for my convictions or emotions. Reality is doing me . I’m not doing reality .

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

There’s a human being called Joseph. I’m not denying that . What I’m saying this Joseph is not intrinsically independently existing . Air from the outside environment entering your body 24/7. The food you eat create the very physical tissues of your muscles. The podcasts you listen to shape your way of thinking . I’m Indian yet listening and reading content with English has made me literally thinking in English instead of Hindi . Do you see ? “I” am not the creator of what I utter or do . It seems like I’m the emergence of things which are not me . I can’t be blamed 100% for my convictions or emotions. Reality is doing me . I’m not doing reality .

Come on man.  What is the human being called you.  

[Someone here]

@Joseph Maynor I’m not sure what’s the end game here for you. . Articulate your thoughts in a lengthy paragraph and stop posting vague one-liners . You are free to write what you want of course..but I’m telling you what I’m going to respond to and what I’m not .

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Joseph Maynor I’m not sure what’s the end game here for you. . Articulate your thoughts in a lengthy paragraph and stop posting vague one-liners . You are free to write what you want of course..but I’m telling you what I’m going to respond to and what I’m not .

I don't have an end game here.  Quite the opposite.  

[VeganAwake]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Absolute reality has no purpose, but local reality does. 

On an absolute level, that's completely unimportant, but on a local level, it's absolutely crucial. The French Revolution was absolutely important, even though in the totality of infinite multiverses (to give an example) it's equivalent to zero. At the local point of the French Revolution, it's equivalent to 10.

That's how reality works. When sperm race toward the egg, they go all out, with the absolute force of reality; it's absolutely important. You could say condescending: oh, look those stupid sperms, running desperately, if it doesn't matter ❤️❤️. But it matters absolutely, because the essence of reality is expansion, it can't avoid it, if you would open your eyes you will see it without doubt.

"Matters" is not a subjetive opinion about the reality, it's the inner drive of reality translated in a subjetive opinion. 

Things can definitely seem to matter! 

Does the inner drive of a serial killer matter?

Is it actually important weather or not the egg gets fertilized? 

Was it crucial that the Japanese were unsuccessful at attempting to conquer the US during WW2?

Is a robot that's programed to avoid destruction, important to keep intact?

Does it matter if someone is successful at committing suicide or the so-called inner drive of reality is hurdling an asteroid the size of texas, at planet earth?

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Things can definitely seem to matter! 

Does the inner drive of a serial killer matter?

Is it actually important weather or not the egg gets fertilized? 

Was it crucial that the Japanese were unsuccessful at attempting to conquer the US during WW2?

Is a robot that's programed to avoid destruction, important to keep intact?

Does it matter if someone is successful at committing suicide or the so-called inner drive of reality is hurdling an asteroid the size of texas, at planet earth?

Perhaps for you it doesn't matter, but for the driving force of reality matters, because "matters" is precisely the driving force of reality.

Does an animal care about feeding its young? Does a cell care about carrying out its processes and dividing? You might say: well, that's the body, it functions on its own, like an automatic process. It's exactly the same with the mind; it's the intrinsic, expansive drive of reality.

The human ego is just another expression of that drive, just like life evolving or molecules joining together in increasingly complex bonds. You could say: it's volume and random. Volume and random are the driving force of the reality, that expresses in life for example.

It's not whether it matters or not; it's the dynamic of reality. To deny it is to voluntarily separate yourself from it and close yourself off to it. You can do that if you want, but it's not being aligned, it's being closed off, and "enlightenment" is being open to it. The difference is total. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[UnbornTao]

On 5/31/2026 at 8:05 PM, Someone here said:

@UnbornTao

I don’t believe personality is something fixed or intrinsic. In many ways we are not our personality at all. Every action.. reaction..thought  and emotion we experience is shaped by countless factors that lie outside our conscious control like  our genetics.. upbringing ..environment.. diet..sleep quality..hormone levels..blood sugar.. and even seemingly insignificant events from the previous day like what I ate for dinner last night .

All of these variables influence our mood, and behavior. When I’m in a bad mood and someone provokes me..I’m not convinced that the anger I feel is something I consciously create. It seems more accurate to say that anger emerges from a chain of causes and conditions that were already in motion before I became aware of it.

From my perspective..what  we call “personality”  is not an independent entity that freely chooses how to think..feel..and act.  Yeah I know the good ol’ determinism vs free will thing again .If you disagree.. I’d be interested to hear why.

Countless explanations can be given, but what is your actual experience of the emotion?

Edited 1 hour ago by UnbornTao

[VeganAwake]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Perhaps for you it doesn't matter, but for the driving force of reality matters, because "matters" is precisely the driving force of reality.

Does an animal care about feeding its young? Does a cell care about carrying out its processes and dividing? You might say: well, that's the body, it functions on its own, like an automatic process. It's exactly the same with the mind; it's the intrinsic, expansive drive of reality.

The human ego is just another expression of that drive, just like life evolving or molecules joining together in increasingly complex bonds. You could say: it's volume and random. Volume and random are the driving force of the reality, that expresses in life for example.

It's not whether it matters or not; it's the dynamic of reality. To deny it is to voluntarily separate yourself from it and close yourself off to it. You can do that if you want, but it's not being aligned, it's being closed off, and "enlightenment" is being open to it. The difference is total. 

I think one of the main difference in our opinions is the belief that the so-called driving forces of reality are intelligent and meaningful. Things occur with purpose and they are valuable to reality itself.

I don't see things that way. I think reality just appears intelligent because it has had infinite time on its side. 

I think conditioned humans place the concepts of meaning, purpose and value overtop of reality and then operate from that conditioned perspective.

I don't think reality cares at all about survival. It's a runaway train without a conductor or destination.

We completely disagree on what enlightenment is and or entails, and that is just fine!

It's been interesting to hear your perspective on things. That's one of the great benefits of this forum 🤙

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

don't see things that way. I think reality just appears intelligent because it has had infinite time on its side. 

Do you think that I think that reality has desires? Reality is unlimited, doesn't want anything, is potential that is happening, and as you said the intelligence of reality is the unlimited volume and time added to the fact that everything that appears have to be logical, coherent with itself and the whole because otherwise it disappear before appearing, it's not possible. and this added to the fact that the potential that everything irradiates is unlimited, only limited by the necessary coherence. 

But this , that seems blind, mechanic, is precisely absolutely alive and absolutely intelligent because it has not límits, and for a human everything matters because this is the drive of the reality. "Matters" is not a subjetive feeling, is the expansive drive of the reality translated in a subjetive feeling, I don't know if Im explaining well . Everytime that you breath it's the drive of reality, it's the impulse of the entire cosmos manifested in a process that is a human that irradiates potential in all directions, same than everything else. There is nothing behind you with a purpose, you are the purpose manifested, that is the inevitable drive to be because there are not límits 

Lets see if I can explain better: intelligence is not someone wanting and doing things, is the unlimited happening because if can't avoid it because it's unlimited, and this is infinite intelligence, just because it's precisely infinite. Then it tries infinitely until the perfect equation appears, that is always, it's an infinite computer with infinite power just by the fact of having no limits and only can create perfection because what's not perfect doesn't work, can't be stable, perfection and existence is synonyms. 

Then, the will to be that we have, the will to expand ourselves, is exactly this , the unlimited manifested, then everything matters because reality is always creating. "Matters" I mean desire to be, not being desperately worry, means give your all 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall