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@UnbornTao here goes the first one today lol 😂


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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17 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@UnbornTao here goes the first one today lol 😂

😁 Why won't you let me proselytize to you already? 😡 

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Wait until he tells you to contemplate it too, I can feel it coming 

 

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On 5/28/2026 at 10:24 PM, VeganAwake said:

I'm sure it's both, but ultimately it's nothing 🤷‍♂️

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  Maybe that is your point.

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@UnbornTao

I don’t believe personality is something fixed or intrinsic. In many ways we are not our personality at all. Every action.. reaction..thought  and emotion we experience is shaped by countless factors that lie outside our conscious control like  our genetics.. upbringing ..environment.. diet..sleep quality..hormone levels..blood sugar.. and even seemingly insignificant events from the previous day like what I ate for dinner last night .

All of these variables influence our mood, and behavior. When I’m in a bad mood and someone provokes me..I’m not convinced that the anger I feel is something I consciously create. It seems more accurate to say that anger emerges from a chain of causes and conditions that were already in motion before I became aware of it.

From my perspective..what  we call “personality”  is not an independent entity that freely chooses how to think..feel..and act.  Yeah I know the good ol’ determinism vs free will thing again .If you disagree.. I’d be interested to hear why.

 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@UnbornTao

I don’t believe personality is something fixed or intrinsic. In many ways we are not our personality at all. Every action.. reaction..thought  and emotion we experience is shaped by countless factors that lie outside our conscious control like  our genetics.. upbringing ..environment.. diet..sleep quality..hormone levels..blood sugar.. and even seemingly insignificant events from the previous day like what I ate for dinner last night .

All of these variables influence our mood, and behavior. When I’m in a bad mood and someone provokes me..I’m not convinced that the anger I feel is something I consciously create. It seems more accurate to say that anger emerges from a chain of causes and conditions that were already in motion before I became aware of it.

From my perspective..what  we call “personality”  is not an independent entity that freely chooses how to think..feel..and act.  Yeah I know the good ol’ determinism vs free will thing again .If you disagree.. I’d be interested to hear why.

 

So it seems you take an entirely human perspective as to the self?

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2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

So it seems you take an entirely human perspective as to the self?

What I was saying that “the human self “ doesn’t actually exist in reality as a fixed thing that has its own independent existence or at least it’s an emergent phenomenon which other external factors construct . I’ve talked plenty of time in the past that I easily get angry and triggered when toxic people provoke me .. and people here told me in a Ralston’s style “you are creating the anger . The other person can’t make you angry if you don’t allow them to “ . And I explained above why that doesn’t make any sense to me.


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What I was saying that “the human self “ doesn’t actually exist in reality as a fixed thing that has its own independent existence or at least it’s an emergent phenomenon which other external factors construct . I’ve talked plenty of time in the past that I easily get angry and triggered when toxic people provoke me .. and people here told me in a Ralston’s style “you are creating the anger . The other person can’t make you angry if you don’t allow them to “ . And I explained above why that doesn’t make any sense to me.

Do you really think this?  

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3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Do you really think this?  

Yes I do. 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes I do. 

Then what do you see as the beyond human?

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7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Then what do you see as the beyond human?

There’s a human being called Joseph. I’m not denying that . What I’m saying this Joseph is not intrinsically independently existing . Air from the outside environment entering your body 24/7. The food you eat create the very physical tissues of your muscles. The podcasts you listen to shape your way of thinking . I’m Indian yet listening and reading content with English has made me literally thinking in English instead of Hindi . Do you see ? “I” am not the creator of what I utter or do . It seems like I’m the emergence of things which are not me . I can’t be blamed 100% for my convictions or emotions. Reality is doing me . I’m not doing reality .


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

There’s a human being called Joseph. I’m not denying that . What I’m saying this Joseph is not intrinsically independently existing . Air from the outside environment entering your body 24/7. The food you eat create the very physical tissues of your muscles. The podcasts you listen to shape your way of thinking . I’m Indian yet listening and reading content with English has made me literally thinking in English instead of Hindi . Do you see ? “I” am not the creator of what I utter or do . It seems like I’m the emergence of things which are not me . I can’t be blamed 100% for my convictions or emotions. Reality is doing me . I’m not doing reality .

Come on man.  What is the human being called you.  

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@Joseph Maynor I’m not sure what’s the end game here for you. . Articulate your thoughts in a lengthy paragraph and stop posting vague one-liners . You are free to write what you want of course..but I’m telling you what I’m going to respond to and what I’m not .


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Joseph Maynor I’m not sure what’s the end game here for you. . Articulate your thoughts in a lengthy paragraph and stop posting vague one-liners . You are free to write what you want of course..but I’m telling you what I’m going to respond to and what I’m not .

I don't have an end game here.  Quite the opposite.  

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10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Absolute reality has no purpose, but local reality does. 

On an absolute level, that's completely unimportant, but on a local level, it's absolutely crucial. The French Revolution was absolutely important, even though in the totality of infinite multiverses (to give an example) it's equivalent to zero. At the local point of the French Revolution, it's equivalent to 10.

That's how reality works. When sperm race toward the egg, they go all out, with the absolute force of reality; it's absolutely important. You could say condescending: oh, look those stupid sperms, running desperately, if it doesn't matter ❤️❤️. But it matters absolutely, because the essence of reality is expansion, it can't avoid it, if you would open your eyes you will see it without doubt.

"Matters" is not a subjetive opinion about the reality, it's the inner drive of reality translated in a subjetive opinion. 

Things can definitely seem to matter! 

Does the inner drive of a serial killer matter?

Is it actually important weather or not the egg gets fertilized? 

Was it crucial that the Japanese were unsuccessful at attempting to conquer the US during WW2?

Is a robot that's programed to avoid destruction, important to keep intact?

Does it matter if someone is successful at committing suicide or the so-called inner drive of reality is hurdling an asteroid the size of texas, at planet earth?


“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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