Nothing important is happening

[VeganAwake]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then if nothing appears as something, maybe it's something. Just an idea. Maybe it's creative power developing itself without end. And that creative power is the inevitable consequence of the limitless. That's why reality lives.

Just contemplate the fact of existing. I don't mean thinking about it, just seeing it, same than you see the fact of the self is not real, you could see the fact of existing right? Just see it without filter, it's happening now. Remove the barrier of: I'm not real (that is a conceptual idea) and see. 

 

I totally get what you mean.

The communication isn't saying "nothing important is happening" so you should sit on a rock depressed and druel on yourself.

It's also not saying "nothing ultimately matters" so you should give up on life and crawl in a hole and die"

It's pointing to the radical freedom of unconditional reality. 

Meaninglessness isn't prison walls.

Purposeslessness does not = its a boring mundane reality with nothing to strive for.

Valuelessness does not mean throw your money away and find a cave to meditate in, until you die.

Hopelessness does not mean crawl underneath your blankets and avoid reality.

This communication is not a teaching or a practical guide on how to live. & yes, I see how it could appear that way within typical conditioned reality/matrix.

Its an invitation to break down those walls of conditioning and bask in the unconditional freedom of THIS without the need of higher purpose.

Nobody is sailing the ship and the captain never was!

Jump overboard or don't, it's that free

[Sugarcoat]

but do you really feel that way tho 

[VeganAwake]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

but do you really feel that way tho 

It's every feeling!

The freedom is every feeling ✨️ 

Edited yesterday at 04:05 PM by VeganAwake

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, VeganAwake said:

It's every feeling!

but you dont experience envy and such, right

[Yimpa]

32 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It's every feeling!

The freedom is every feeling ✨️ 

You Are the VeganDMT 

Thank you 

Edited yesterday at 04:37 PM by Yimpa

[VeganAwake]

10 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

but you dont experience envy and such, right

Feelings of envy could arise depending on the situation. They don't last long because there is no one left here identifying with or perpetuating them.

Initial feelings even strong one's are typically not a problem and a normal reaction. They can be very habitual and arise out of nowhere even. It can take a long time for those reactionary feelings to loosen up. But sometimes they can subside quickly.

It becomes problematic when these feelings actually start affecting someones daily life. It shows a disconnect and lack of understanding. It reveals an underlying issue basically.  

Does envy seem to be an issue for you?

[Mellowmarsh]

Can the unreal be a problem? If you know that all thoughts are about the real or the unreal, but are never themselves the real, do they have to be taken so seriously?

[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Its an invitation to break down those walls of conditioning and bask in the unconditional freedom of THIS without the need of higher purpose.

Absolute reality has no purpose, but local reality does. 

On an absolute level, that's completely unimportant, but on a local level, it's absolutely crucial. The French Revolution was absolutely important, even though in the totality of infinite multiverses (to give an example) it's equivalent to zero. At the local point of the French Revolution, it's equivalent to 10.

That's how reality works. When sperm race toward the egg, they go all out, with the absolute force of reality; it's absolutely important. You could say condescending: oh, look those stupid sperms, running desperately, if it doesn't matter ❤️❤️. But it matters absolutely, because the essence of reality is expansion, it can't avoid it, if you would open your eyes you will see it without doubt.

"Matters" is not a subjetive opinion about the reality, it's the inner drive of reality translated in a subjetive opinion. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

8 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Feelings of envy could arise depending on the situation. They don't last long because there is no one left here identifying with or perpetuating them.

Initial feelings even strong one's are typically not a problem and a normal reaction. They can be very habitual and arise out of nowhere even. It can take a long time for those reactionary feelings to loosen up. But sometimes they can subside quickly.

It becomes problematic when these feelings actually start affecting someones daily life. It shows a disconnect and lack of understanding. It reveals an underlying issue basically.  

Does envy seem to be an issue for you?

I also experience it in the style you describe (I would say), except im not enlightened, so its possible to be very "open" such that things flow internally, so it allows for that natural tendency of body/brain to heal itself etc to , transform itself into more natural effortless state . Some might think its fancy words, but its just that suffering (in the common way) consumes energy and its tense, so your body/brain etc naturally won't maintain it for long, unless something is "keeping it at bay" (seems like its the ego that does) . So I can relate to how that process for me was definitely related to losing a lot of the ego (never all of it tho like you seem to have arrived at). So no envy is not really a problem for me, in significant way. But I asked about that feeling because I assumed someone enlightened wouldn't have them to significant degree, so I was "testing the waters"

Edited 9 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Someone here]

@Sugarcoat "Enlightenment " is not a realization that occurs in your mind..Any realization couched within your mind is limited.. relative and impermanent. If enlightenment was a particular realization it would be limited…Relative and impermanent. Which makes it not a big deal. Just another realization. Another experience and there is always more to come be sure of that.  How I see it .. Enlightenment is NOT the realization of the absolute truth.. Enlightenment IS the absolute truth. And since absloute truth is all that there is.. Enlightenment is all that there is. And therefore you are not enlightened because you are enlightenment itself. 

And that makes the questioni Of " is X enlightened "a very funny question .

[Sugarcoat]

16 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Sugarcoat "Enlightenment " is not a realization that occurs in your mind..Any realization couched within your mind is limited.. relative and impermanent. If enlightenment was a particular realization it would be limited…Relative and impermanent. Which makes it not a big deal. Just another realization. Another experience and there is always more to come be sure of that.  How I see it .. Enlightenment is NOT the realization of the absolute truth.. Enlightenment IS the absolute truth. And since absloute truth is all that there is.. Enlightenment is all that there is. And therefore you are not enlightened because you are enlightenment itself. 

And that makes the questioni Of " is X enlightened "a very funny question .

Sometimes you guys focus so much on someone's language use. You hear me say "someone enlightened" so you think im ascribing enlightenment as some trait someone possesses, when it's just actually simple language use. To me it means "absence of a sense of self", but you're not picking up on that meaning behind what I say. 

Nowhere did I say "enlightenment is a realization that occurs in your mind". lol. Thats like you guys's repetitive jargon in this forum 

You say "enlightment is the absolute truth", but I dont think it captures it. Someone walking around and feeling like they exist as a self, that is absolute truth, but enlightment means the sense of self is not there. Its different 

This definition im sharing is my interpretation yes but its also the way its defined if you look it up and it seems to be what some of these people describe 

Also I can add, I am not fully sure either ofc, because maybe im reading someone's writings and they're talking about no-self but im still picking up on some sense of a person from them, so maybe there can be some kind of sense of self but without sense of boundaries or something (I dont know how that would work tho just expressing here). 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

Sometimes you guys focus so much on someone's language use. You hear me say "someone enlightened" so you think im ascribing enlightenment as some trait someone possesses, when it's just actually simple language use. To me it means "absence of a sense of self", but you're not picking up on that meaning behind what I say. 

Nowhere did I say "enlightenment is a realization that occurs in your mind". lol. Thats like you guys's repetitive jargon in this forum 

You say "enlightment is the absolute truth", but I dont think it captures it. Someone walking around and feeling like they exist as a self, that is absolute truth, but enlightment means the sense of self is not there. Its different 

 

 

 

Its not the realization that there is no separate self ..as that would be a realization or Aha moment..which means it was absent at a certain point and then it occurred to “you “ or well ..it just occurred “. Either way any knowledge or insight of any kind would be limited and impermanent which means it’s not the absolute truth . 
It’s not like there’s some grand “Aha!” moment where the separate self suddenly vanishes. That would imply it was missing before and then showed up later..just another event..another piece of knowledge with an expiration date. And if an insight arrives hangs around for a bit and then fades then congratulations lol you’ve just met another temporary guest …not Absolute Truth. Robert Adam’s says you stop seeking . What keeps us ignorant is the seeking . What exactly are we seeking or expecting to get to ? When you drop the seeking that’s it. You are home . And this doesn’t mean the person is perfect and doesn’t experience negative emotions like envy or frustration or jealousy etc life continues on but with the exception that inside you you are really unshakable and have profuound peace .

 

[Sugarcoat]

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Its not the realization that there is no separate self ..as that would be a realization or Aha moment.

Once again, I did not say that (and the rest you wrote that was you building on this point). Read literally what I wrote. 

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

And this doesn’t mean the person is perfect and doesn’t experience negative emotions like envy or frustration or jealousy etc life continues on but with the exception that inside you you are really unshakable and have profuound peace .

 

This too, you're answering things I didn't even say . basically I didn't mean those emotions can't happen but just not to significant degree like normal person 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Someone here]

@Sugarcoat sorry if I misunderstand you . 

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Someone here said:

@Sugarcoat sorry if I misunderstand you . 

Its totally okay, you were respectful and now showing openness so thats what matters 

[Someone here]

@Sugarcoat thanks. Good to see you back btw .

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Sugarcoat thanks. Good to see you back btw .

Oh thanks. I hope those problems you talked about before (anger etc) is better for you nowadays 

Edited 7 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Oh thanks. I hope those problems you talked about before (anger etc) is better for you nowadays 

Every morning I decide to not get angry and spend a quiet day but then I meet a bunch of stupid people who make this impossible “  

 

-Charles Bokofosky

 

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Every morning I decide to not get angry and spend a quiet day but then I meet a bunch of stupid people who make this impossible “  

 

-Charles Bokofosky

 

Maybe that should be your signature then 😁

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Every morning I decide to not get angry and spend a quiet day but then I meet a bunch of stupid people who make this impossible “  

 

-Charles Bokofosky

 

Charles Wazowski.

Bukowski.

You generate the anger.