the biggest flaw in the nonduality teachings

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

So called spirituality is not about denying or accepting, or not about not denying or not accepting.

 Therefore, any word, thinking, movement belongs to body, not only Body, universe itself. Body is exist with the sun, air, water etc... therefore, body movement is with the entire universe.

The matrix is it's own, belongs to itself. 

Spirituality is opening yourself to the living essence of the absolute, in which the totality sees itself as life, being, the boundlessness that it is, and simply being expresses: hallelujah.

The absolute light, creator of reality, which is reality itself, the living source that you are and that manifests in you now, bursting forth into life, universes, realities, all of them full of being.

All that you talk about is just conceptual; you can't open yourself to the totality, which is normal since it's not easy at all, but it's good to understand this and not get stuck on meaningless nonsense, for you and for the people who's close to you. But anyway, life is hard. That's life 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Spirituality is opening yourself to the living essence of the absolute, in which the totality sees itself as life, being, the boundlessness that it is, and simply being expresses: hallelujah.

The absolute light, creator of reality, which is reality itself, the living source that you are and that manifests in you now, bursting forth into life, universes, realities, all of them full of being.

All that you talk about is just conceptual; you can't open yourself to the totality, which is normal since it's not easy at all, but it's good to understand this and not get stuck on meaningless nonsense, for you and for the people who's close to you. But anyway, life is hard. That's life 

Yes, purpose of spirituality is suffering 😂 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Yes, purpose of spirituality is suffering 😂 

Why are you laughing? 

Edited 55 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[No1Here2c]

22 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So there’s no thing that is limitless freedom.

Exactly right. 

Can you see, how in there existing no thing such as limitless freedom, that that itself is the limitless freedom to which I point?

[No1Here2c]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why are you laughing? 

It is really all so much fun!

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

It is really all so much fun!

What is fun? The narcissists? Not so

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Exactly right. 

Can you see, how in there existing no thing such as limitless freedom, that that itself is the limitless freedom to which I point?

Yes, I can see that which you point to. That makes sense. So what about absolute Love? Is Love real, what does love mean, I’m still trying to figure out what love is. For example, is an adult murdering an innocent child an act of Love? 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What is fun? The narcissists? Not so

Laughing is fun. Laughing feels nice, right, nice is fun, right.

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

So what about absolute Love? Is Love real, what does love mean, I’m still trying to figure out what love is. For example, is an adult murdering an innocent child an act of Love? 

'Act of Love' is a gross conception of egomind.

Ego knows only acts of self advantage & self preservation. Hence our current societal state.

What seems to be presented as occuring within you is a mistaking/mixing up of finite love and Absolute Love.

Finite love is emotional, relational, dependent, conditional.

Absolute Love is total union. Has little to do with personal emotion or conditionality.

A good model: Absolute Love can be imagined as God's eye watching through every finite being. Absolute Love is the 'physical incarnation' of being itself. It is the Universe looking through you, taking on your particular structures, physical, cognitive & emotional.

Absolute Love has barely anything to do with your emotional systems. Absolute Love cares not about the reaction of your ego to an event, less the fact that Absolute Love is the very substance which composes the very being of the event, yourself, & the emotion situated between.

More words might only obscure.

[No1Here2c]

A hornet sting is Absolute Love.

Venom glands are Absolute Love.

Tissue damage is Absolute Love.

Pain as a result of haywire nerves is Absolute Love.

The entire life experience of the hornet is Absolute Love. From its birth till death.

The entire life experience of being you, having the sting, between, birth & death is Absolute Love. 

Absolute Love is not only Existential, it is Existence itself.

Ego may never fully understand.

This is grasped on the level of consciousness. The fundamental level. Consciousness is Love. Consciousness is fundamental. Love is therefore fundamental.

Do not confuse this with your pitiful emotions

Edited 25 minutes ago by No1Here2c

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

'Act of Love' is a gross conception of egomind.

Ego knows only acts of self advantage & self preservation. Hence our current societal state.

What seems to be presented as occuring within you is a mistaking/mixing up of finite love and Absolute Love.

Finite love is emotional, relational, dependent, conditional.

Absolute Love is total union. Has little to do with personal emotion or conditionality.

A good model: Absolute Love can be imagined as God's eye watching through every finite being. Absolute Love is the 'physical incarnation' of being itself. It is the Universe looking through you, taking on your particular structures, physical, cognitive & emotional.

Absolute Love has barely anything to do with your emotional systems. Absolute Love cares not about the reaction of your ego to an event, less the fact that Absolute Love is the very substance which composes the very being of the event, yourself, & the emotion situated between.

More words might only obscure.

Okay, thanks for that analysis. I like it, it’s a coherently understandingly accurate assessment . I can relate to that.

As humans we don’t need to kill or murder anything, because we’re only killing parts of ourselves, it’s pointless to harm yourself, when we can just all agree not to harm each other instead. 

[No1Here2c]

This is just one relative finite example.

There are Infinite.

They do not all have to include pain or destruction.

But this will help you to see that pain is also Love!

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

This is just one relative finite example.

There are Infinite.

They do not all have to include pain or destruction.

But this will help you to see that pain is also Love!

Okay, thank you so much. 😊 You’re so kind. 

[No1Here2c]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

As humans we don’t need to kill or murder anything,

As human beings we MUST kill other beings.

We must do this to survive. We do this largely without second thought or reflection on the matter. No different than a shark.

the beings we kill do not necessarily have to be animals, but a plant is a being, no?

The notion of killing though is also a gross abstraction. It gets real twisted.

We must kill if we ourselves wish to survive. And ego always wishes to survive in some form or another.

Creation is equal to destruction which is equal to creation. Indistinguishable. Indistinct.

All boundaries must ultimately dissolve. All structure must collapse at the deepest levels.

There is no such thing as killing as there is no such thing as living.

Edited 9 minutes ago by No1Here2c

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

This is just one relative finite example.

There are Infinite.

They do not all have to include pain or destruction.

But this will help you to see that pain is also Love!

Humans seem incapable of unconditional love, don’t you agree. 
 

I have cats, they teach me unconditional love, they are my soulmates on this earth. I would literally spend my entire day caring for these animals because they deserve to be treated like the unconditional sacred divine creatures they are.

 

But at the same time, I eat meat, and feel disgusted with myself knowing these divine creatures had to be slaughtered and robbed of their lives. I just can’t get my head around why I’m happy to turn a blind eye when it comes to say pig slaughter for bacon consumption, yet I’d lay down my own life for my cats…I just don’t understand what that’s all about tbh. 

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

As human beings we MUST kill other beings.

We must do this to survive. We do this largely without second thought or reflection on the matter. No different than a shark.

the beings we kill do not necessarily have to be animals, but a plant is a being, no?

The notion of killing though is also a gross abstraction. It gets real twisted.

We must kill if we ourselves wish to survive. And ego always wishes to survive in some form or another.

Creation is equal to destruction which is equal to creation. Indistinguishable. Indistinct.

All boundaries must ultimately dissolve. All structure must collapse at the deepest levels.

Okay, thank you, I understand this, you have an amazing way of explaining these things, I’m so grateful and appreciate your views on these matters.

[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Humans seem incapable of unconditional love, don’t you agree. 
 

I have cats, they teach me unconditional love, they are my soulmates on this earth. I would literally spend my entire day caring for these animals because they deserve to be treated like the unconditional sacred divine creatures they are.

 

But at the same time, I eat meat, and feel disgusted with myself knowing these divine creatures had to be slaughtered and robbed of their lives. I just can’t get my head around why I’m happy to turn a blind eye when it comes to say pig slaughter for bacon consumption, yet I’d lay down my own life for my cats…I just don’t understand what that’s all about tbh. 

Start attacking your cat every morning and see how much it 'loves' you then.

These are relative forms of love you speak of. Conditional. Dependent.

Double standards is ego's middle name,

When you eat a bacon slice and your body uptakes and assimilates its energy into yours, that is Being as Absolute Love. Has very little to do with your emotion about it.

The pig who was slaughtered has God's eye looking through it. This is not a bias or ideal of mine. This is Consciousness.

I cannot make claims about what degree of immediate present awareness the pig has. Or whether the pig feels emotion or pain. But the pig is consciousness, the bacon is consciousness, your enjoyment of the taste is consciousness, your guilt is consciousness.

There is nothing that is not consciousness.

Edited 2 minutes ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

8 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

unconditional sacred divine

This here is True Nature.