Your work determines your level of consciousness

[Lucasxp64]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Marxist materialist dialectic 101

Yeah. That was one of the major contributions of Marx.

He was a great analysist of capitalism like this, but shitty at giving advice of good alternatives.

All things considered he died in 1883, he didn't get to see his influence on society.

[Schizophonia]

32 minutes ago, Lucasxp64 said:

Yeah. That was one of the major contributions of Marx.

He was a great analysist of capitalism like this, but shitty at giving advice of good alternatives.

All things considered he died in 1883, he didn't get to see his influence on society.

He hasn’t be shitty at giving alternative it just wasn’t his point.

What is commonly believed to be communism is the Bolshevik statist system.
 

[Hasson_Miah]

@AerisVahnEphelia

On 04/06/2026 at 4:30 PM, AerisVahnEphelia said:

I've no work, does that mean I m dead ?

Yes.

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We all work, we just don't always get paid for the work we do.  

[Lucasxp64]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

He hasn’t be shitty at giving alternative it just wasn’t his point.

What is commonly believed to be communism is the Bolshevik statist system.
 

Yes. Marx would be horrified of what happened in his name if he was alive today.

He had his blind spots that he later criticized himself, like the 10-Point Plan (from the Manifesto).

But I think what we try to critiquize Marx for is merely what was done with his ideas by power hungry pigs, like usual.

Max Weber did later do analysis on his blind spots, how Marx deconstruction left a power vacuum, and how he didn't speak enough about people's development, and the role of the state that is above the capitalists at all times and tries to milk from him.

Somehow up to this day it's not part of the public knowledge or the memes this kind of nuanced view of what the solutions to society are, and that's also part of the reason why things are shitty.

But somehow Marx also knew that we he couldn't just write some simple recipe for the problems, but the little that he did about it, specially about abolition of private property was just a silly solution. (which I don't understand exactly how he intended)

Somehow he also knew the problems that we would face alongside his ideas, and perhaps he would backtrack on many of his ideas or clarify things further if he knew what happened.

The legitimacy over the use of physical force is mostly solved in modern democracies (it's the govt), but when it comes to capital things are still evolving... To deconstruct it perfectly, it means to rebuild something better, it's not just the material condition conditions, but it's the political, intellectual, social conditions of that society as well, such as Switzerland vs USA.

That`s obvious, that's what Max Weber goes deep into.

Not that deep or special, obviously. That's the work that Leo Gura is teaching.

Marx just seemed too caught up with capitalism, because when he saw it it was at the peak of that brutal early industrialization of society where people were worked like semi-slaves, and didn't give much voice to the other parts of power dynamics, but that's not excuse for the atrocities and modern day ignorance of his works, it's not like we didn't have equally insightful people writing on the solutions based on history that happened in real time after his death.

Progressive taxation, including the billionaires is definitely in one of his old lists of things to do, and we didn't get to that part yet.

Modern govts changed to the better because of his works to adapt to him, but specially in the fear of communist takeover.

The major risk is when people are given good compromises by the govt and the capital elites, and the elites are given good compromises by the govt, but the govt and mega corporations are still taking too much... Marx thought that there would be some kind of orgasmic moment of revolution, but that only happens if we are backed on the corner too hard, and even then, dictatorships can decide to just butcher people militarily, but that is bad for the capital elites, they don't want govt created instability.

So in some way, the capitalists, paradoxically, are some kind of stabilizing force, but just because of this centuries long dialectic between the govt, the people and the capital elites.

Edited 16 minutes ago by Lucasxp64