Emptiness & Nirvana

[Someone here]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Someone here

What you're talking about is a good level of meditation. What you're doing is real meditation, opening yourself to what is now. But let's see, when you say that there's emptiness inside you if thoughts stop, that can be nuanced. When the mind stops completely and you perceive yourself as a process unfolding now, at a certain point reality loses its dual dimension, "inside you," "your thoughts."

There is no longer an inside or outside, no limits restricting anything. Then you are floating in the abyss that is this moment, and at a certain point, you are this moment, without any interpretation or barrier, completely clear, pure.

When you can reach this point naturally, that's when it gets difficult, at least for me. In this absolute moment, there is one last barrier. Poetically speaking, your heart is closed, and it is because you are afraid, because you cling to the fact of being you, to the control of what is.

The challenge is to open yourself, to let go of that last control, to break free from form and be pure substance without restrictions. This is enlightenment, nothing less. It is access to the Tao, to the source, and you cannot think or remember, you can only be now. It's not "nothing ", it's unlimited, it's everything. Then the door closes up, and you perceive the closure in you, in your body, in your heart, but anyway you can't open it. A lot of adjustments must be done to align yourself, at least it's what I feel, what I'm doing, the path that I choose

Thanks for your perspective. I honestly don’t know what you are describing or haven’t experienced it . I’m describing why is it insanely difficult to even meditate for 10 minutes for newbies .. it’s because when you stop engaging with thoughts and put them in front of you and watch them flow while you remain as a witness to them like sitting on the shore of a river and watching it flow without interference.. I say when you do that you experience your true essence as pure awareness. This awareness is empty in the sense that it is just pure being . It is not big or small . Not intelligent or dumb . Not happy or sad. Not a male or female . Not a person at all . Not even a self . Not even a thing . It can’t be said because if you say it you are back to thoughts . You put a barrier between your true essence and thoughts . What I mean by “inside my being “ is metaphorical. I don’t mean it literally inside my human body . I mean the core of what I am . Pure being . Pure witnessing. Pure watchfulness . Pure consciousness. And pure emptiness. And this emptiness feels boring and terrifying which is why you feel like going crazy if I locked you inside a room with nothing to do staring at 4 walls for 6 hours .im not denying your point but I’m just describing a different realization. 

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

. I say when you do that you experience your true essence as pure awareness. This awareness is empty in the sense that it is just pure being . It is not big or small . N

This is not your true essence, it's just an state where you split the reality between the witness and the forms that arises. That witness seems empty because it's a limited perspective that you are creating by the fact of meditating. Your true essence gets open when the separation between object and subject collapses and you release the control. The fact of being an observer is contraction, that's why it feels so tense

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is not your true essence

it can be tested directly. Right now existentially ..what is your true essence? What are you ? 
 

 

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Your true essence gets open when the separation between object and subject collapses and you release the control. 

1- the true essence is always the case because it is true . It isn’t true conditionally.

2- you can’t collapse something which doesn’t exist . If you collapse the subject-object duality you are saying this duality was real in the first place .

[cetus]

If you were born in Disney World and that was all you knew that would be reality. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

it can be tested directly. Right now existentially ..what is your true essence? What are you ? 
 

The reality manifested in a process that is happening, like anything else

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

the true essence is always the case because it is true . It isn’t true conditionally

When we talk about "true", or "absolute", it means unlimited. Limited is made by limitation, for example if you perceive yourself as pain, or sadness, or anything concrete. The point of meditation is open yourself to the unlimited, that means the relaxation of all the limits. When you are the witness of the thoughts there is a limit between you and the thoughts 

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

it can be tested directly. Right now existentially ..what is your true essence? What are you ? 
 

 

1- the true essence is always the case because it is true . It isn’t true conditionally.

2- you can’t collapse something which doesn’t exist . If you collapse the subject-object duality you are saying this duality was real in the first place .

He is correct from what I expereince. You believe in separation and so you see it everywhere. It is non-existent. It needs collapsing. This is the work.

Witness/awareness is indeed duality. But it is the stepping-stone. It is the pre-requisite. It is the most you can do. It is an abidance in peace and a non-resistance of all that is. Then reality rushes in to your aid to shower you with truth and grace. You have become a fit vessel.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Imagination is the substance of your dreams you understand.

The very experiences which appear as 'real' while they are occuring, yet are revealed as Imagination upon Awakening. 

Dreams are real. For a dream to occur billions of neural connection are happening. A dream Is as real as a stone or a Galaxy, there are no categories of reality. Maybe for you as a human a dream has no consequences and a stone in your head yes, but that doesn't implies that one is more rela than other 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

To witness thoughts is to be consciously unified with them. Any limit, or separation you feel, is itself illusory.

Any limit is real since it's happening. If you create a limit between the observer and the object, the limit is happening and has consequences. Maybe it's not absolute, can be dissolved, but until you dissolve it, it is. Labelling everything as illusory is just a mental complication without any utility. 

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

True essence is the formless expanse. The 'space' within which all Imagation arises. Space which itself is an imagined feature. 

True essence, the freedom expanse, is not bound by three dimensions. It expands 'outwards' & 'inwards' in every 'possible' way, & every 'impossible' way.

This is Infinity. This is Love. This is Beauty.

This could sounds like poetry, but is meaningless in the sense that divide the true essence (the screen) and the form. This is non dualistic spirituality.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

How 'real' is a Dream upon Awakening?

This is your dream.

It's exactly as real than being awake, but in another state. Don't you see that you are dividing the reality in categories, putting a higher category the label of "truth", and lower category the label of "dream"?

Edited May 7 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

How real is a dream upon Awakening?

 Not how real while you are in it.

Both are real. There is not "how real". How real is a stone in comparison with a planet? Exactly in the same level: real. A dream is happening due countless of relationship between fields, etc, same than anything else. 

Spirituality is not that mess, is being open to your total nature, that is the nature of everything, that is the absence of limits that is. But you are open to it from a limited structure or process that is happening now that is your human nature. Nothing is a "dream" , thats just obscurantist spirituality that confuses everyone 

[Inliytened1]

Curious man: "hmm..if reality is imagination then whatever i imagine is real! So then, what does it really matter if reality is made of atoms or made of nothing?"

Wise man: "if reality was made of material..then you couldn't awaken from it! But if it is just a dream, made of nothing..then you could wake up from it!"

Curious man: "cool! Then how do I awaken? And am I this nothingness?"

Wise man: "I'm afraid it's classified..if I told you I'd have to kill you 😀 "

Edited May 8 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

The curious man finds upon awakening to have never lived in the first place, & the wise man never was.

 

😀 God finds itself and that it was imagining it was both the curious man and the wise man.

Edited May 8 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

But what is God?

Awaken and find out!