Emptiness & Nirvana

[No1Here2c]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Of course, it's the reality happening, I would call real to the reality. 

You are there, if you want to call it unreal to feel better it's your choice. But if anything is not real, then what is "real"? 

Real, as I have come to find, is a term only valid from within very specific & narrow states of consciousness.

Real, as conceived by the human mind, does not exist.

Experience/perception does arise, experience/perception does fade away. This is as Maya. 

Truly, what I would call 'real' given my bubble, and the perspective implied within it, would be the Infinite. The Formless. The complete open expanse.

That is what I would point toward as 'real'.

Otherwise known as Consciousness.

Pure, Empty, Consciousness.

Edited 4 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Real, as I have come to find, is a term only valid from within very specific & narrow states of consciousness.

Real, as conceived by the human mind, does not exist.

Experience does arise, experience does fade away. This is as Maya. 

Truly, what I would call 'real' given my bubble, and the perspective implied within it, would he the Infinite. The Formless. The complete open expanse.

That is what I would point toward as 'real'.

It's much more simple: everything is real because everything is the reality. Or maybe are you one of those non dualistic who make an absolute duality between real and dream?

[No1Here2c]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

It's much more simple: everything is real because everything is the reality. Or maybe are you one of those non dualistic who make an absolute duality between real and dream?

Everything is dream because everything is the dream content. 

I make no distinction.

The realm of dream is exactly the realm of reality. The space in which both are held is the exact same. 

The content of both vary, the internal rules & consistency of both do vary. But the underlying fabric is identical.

The distinction between dream & reality is something you are presently drawing. You are doing it right now. Otherwise, it does not exist 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Everything is dream because everything is the dream content. 

I make no distinction.

The realm of dream is exactly the realm of reality. The space in which both are held is the exact same. 

The content of both vary, the internal rules & consistency of both do vary. But the underlying fabric is identical.

The distinction between dream & reality is something you are presently drawing. You are doing it right now. Otherwise, it does not exist 

Then why do you call it dream if it's the same than the reality? A dream is something less real, an illusion. An illusion is illusory because it's not real. If anything is an illusion is in comparison with something that is not an illusion. If everything is an illusion, then it's just you putting labels to create an unnecessary mental mess 

[No1Here2c]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then why do you call it dream if it's the same than the reality? A dream is something less real, an illusion. An illusion is illusory because it's not real. If anything is an illusion is in comparison with something that is not an illusion. If everything is an illusion, then it's just you putting labels to create an unnecessary mental mess 

I call it 'Dream' because that is a better reflection of its True Nature than the Implications we have tied into our term 'Reality'

Reality regardless of what you conceive of it to be, is the quote un quote "less real"

It is the Illusion. Maya. Play. Dukkha. Lila.

It is as Psychedelic Visions. It fades off. But Truth always remains. Truth is what is 'real'.

Everything you know is Illusion. Including the labels which have you confused about the Nature of such.

The 'mental mess' is as a result of drawing distinction within the Indistinct. Catch 22 'Reality'.

Contrast is the foundation for experience, as human, we create so many contrasts, that we get lost amidst them all.

We cannot see how it is fundamentally Two that must contrast in order for there to exist anything at all in experience.

What the 'Two' contrasting elements are, is the foundation of Maya. It is Illusory.

Underneath that, lies Truth. Complete & utter, empty Formless Freedom.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Everything you know is Illusion. Including the labels which have you confused about the Nature of such.

The 'mental mess' is as a result of drawing distinction within the Indistinct. Catch 22 'Reality'.

I see it different, everything is just the reality happening, processes unfolding, it's not "maya", it's just how reality manifest. 

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Underneath that, lies Truth. Complete & utter, empty Formless Freedom.

The "truth" is the perception of the nature of the reality beyond the form. That doesn't mean that the form is Maya or unreal, means that the form is form, and the nature is the nature. Both are two aspects of the reality. No one is false. 

But the point is being open to the total nature of the reality, to what is. Then the form appears as what is in this form . 

I think that this of Maya is not useful to see clearly, but it's just my opinion. Anyway, a pleasure to talk 

[No1Here2c]

2=1=0=Infinity

Edited 4 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Busy making distinction

The distinctions are real. Pretending they don't exist is a kind of spiritual narcissism that closes you off. No one achieves openness with those non-dualistic tricks.

You have to know how to differentiate between process and substance; then you can function as a process aligned with your total nature. To pretend that everything is illusory is to deny something that exists, a kind of mental castration that locks you in a dead state that you define as "awake."

[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

2=1=0=Infinity

No True distinctions

 

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[No1Here2c]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The distinctions are real.

Only in Imagination.