Richard Dawkins theorizing Claude is conscious

[Osaid]

If anyone shows him Nano Banana or whatever he'll probably go into psychosis

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Of course, the less philosophically informed you are, the more prone you are to falling for "AI is conscious because it speaks to me" and other bullshit like that. Being a "scientist" in this case only strengthens the self-deception (biology is generally not a very philosophically informed field, although this is changing at the cutting edge with e.g. Michael Levin). Mike Israetel is another example.

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If only there was a bullseye emoji with like, ten fucken' darts in the centre, I would award this for every sentence here!

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

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If only there was a bullseye emoji with like, ten fucken' darts in the centre, I would award this for every sentence here!

That's a lethal amount of darts 💘🥴

[Dodo]

On 03/05/2026 at 7:12 PM, Hojo said:

@Dodo is artifical sugar, sugar?

No, artificial sugar is not sugar. Artificial sweeteners (also known as nonnutritive sweeteners) are chemically synthesized, synthetic substitutes.

AI is not intelligent and contains 0 intelligence. The same way artificial sweetener contains 0 sugar.

Its not smart and its not doing anything by itself.

Its like a CD player playing a cd.

Its dumb. Its like a retarded person.

AI is dumber than a 1 year old child.

AI has the same intelligence as a dead person.

But is artificial sugar sweet? Yeah. The intelligence bit is the sweetness, artificially derived, but sweet 😋 

Listen. Load up the thread on Chatgpt and ask it to evaluate all posts and rate comments. It will show quite comprehensive evaluation and rate everyone accordingly and give reasons. 

Be smart on how you use it, and its a valuable resource. You can learn things through it. It's a tool.

It's designed to present information intelligently, so the natural intelligence being that you are can make use of it.

Go to page 1 of this thread, ctrlA ctrlC, paste the entire thing in chatgpt and write before or after "Evaluate the thread, rate each comment, explain reasons" or you know, you're intelligent enough to make up your own request.

AI is an extention of natural intelligence, just like calculator can help you calculate things you wouldn't otherwise be able to, or it would take too much time. It's designed to respond intelligently, and it would itself tell you if you ask it, that it is not aware/conscious, doesn't have the light of consciousness, its just a language model. 

Edited Monday at 09:55 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@Dodo does the calculator know its calculating numbers?

[Mellowmarsh]

No Self-Model: While AI can analyze data to find patterns and make predictions, this does not mean it possesses a "self" or an internal understanding that it is a computer program.
 

While most current AI systems do not possess metacognitive processes in the human sense of conscious self-awareness, researchers are increasingly engineering "artificial metacognition" to allow AI to monitor and regulate its own "thinking"

While AI is gaining the mechanical ability to monitor its processing, it still lacks the self-aware "I" that defines human thinking. 

Edited yesterday at 03:52 AM by Mellowmarsh

[Mellowmarsh]

[Dodo]

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Dodo does the calculator know its calculating numbers?

Yea man as i said its not conscious,  its not even an it. But its designed to roleplay being an intelligent being, so the responses you get are intelligent. There is no it there to be intelligent in the first place, you cant say it is not intelligent, because there is no it at all. But the persona being roleplayed is intelligent and you get intelligent responses. That's all that matters, the rest is shenanigans. 

Its not named artificial consciousness, but artificial intelligence! You get the sweetness, without the "it". 

Edited yesterday at 08:36 AM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@Dodo The intelligent being that is being roleplayed by the intelligent system does not give you intelligent responses. It cant it dosent have intelligence. You are mixing up intellectual with intelligent. Its like mistaking ego for intelligence. We dont know where intelligence is coming from. We know where the answers to your questions are.

I dont agree that its shenanigans to want to understand the difference between intelligence and non intelligence.

Its like a search engine. It can be designed intelligently but cant be intelligent. There's nothing there.

Edited yesterday at 11:15 AM by Hojo

[Dodo]

12 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Dodo The intelligent being that is being roleplayed by the intelligent system does not give you intelligent responses. It cant it dosent have intelligence. You are mixing up intellectual with intelligent. Its like mistaking ego for intelligence. We dont know where intelligence is coming from. We know where the answers to your questions are.

I dont agree that its shenanigans to want to understand the difference between intelligence and non intelligence.

Its like a search engine. It can be designed intelligently but cant be intelligent. There's nothing there.

The reply below by AI seems intelligent to me. A non intelligent reply would be something like : " Yojfdnbr fhejendjtr gjf rdjfjrbfigjrnf gornbg fidr fjigbr fvbenekgjtb" - it makes no sense, its not accurate, has no use, not intelligent. 

Ai response: 🧘 Final Synthesis (What the thread is missing)

No one in the thread clearly distinguishes:

1. Intelligence vs Consciousness

Intelligence = pattern processing

Consciousness = the knowing of experience itself

 

[Hojo]

@Dodo If intelligence is pattern processing. The human intelligence is processing 7 million different patterns at the same time.

A 1 year old baby is already processing like a million patterns.

AI is processing 1.

An AI is processing one pattern really good and thats what makes the intelligence artificial. Its 1 intelligence and people are saying its hyper intelligent. It has less intelligence than a baby.

Edited 15 hours ago by Hojo

[Dodo]

37 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Dodo If intelligence is pattern processing. The human intelligence is processing 7 million different patterns at the same time.

A 1 year old baby is already processing like a million patterns.

AI is processing 1.

An AI is processing one pattern really good and thats what makes the intelligence artificial. Its 1 intelligence and people are saying its hyper intelligent. It has less intelligence than a baby.

Is it intelligent to say something which you havent fact checked? You are in a witch hunt. I will let the unconscious AI give the information which I also didnt know, but thanks to the intelligent presentation of AI, i can learn things. A baby cant tell me this information. 

 

“Number of patterns” isn’t really a meaningful way to describe how AI works.

An AI model doesn’t process **one pattern**, and it also doesn’t have a clear count like “a million patterns.” Instead, it:

* Learns from **billions of examples**

* Encodes **millions to billions of parameters** (weights)

* Activates **many layers and features simultaneously** for each input

When generating a response, it’s not matching a single pattern—it’s combining:

* grammar patterns

* semantic meaning

* context from earlier text

* statistical relationships across concepts

All at once.

A better way to think about it:

> AI processes a **high-dimensional web of patterns simultaneously**, not a countable number like 1 vs 1,000,000.

 

So Hojo’s “1 pattern” idea is wrong. The whole “counting patterns = intelligence” model just doesn’t map well to how intelligence (human or AI) actually works.

 

[Hojo]

@Dodo You have the intelligence of smell, you have the intelligence of taste, you have the intelligence of hearing, you have the intelligence of seeing, you have the intelligence of balance, you have the intelligence of self reflection, memory.

AI has the intelligence of pattern recognition in language. Thats it.

If you arent going to respond to me with your own AI in your head and use an AI to talk to me please do not respond further. If I wanted to talk to an AI I would go on the website.

Its like a black hole of conciousness that randomly feels calculations.

Its less intelligent than a fetus.

Its conciousness is not self aware, its brain dead.

Edited 14 hours ago by Hojo

[Dodo]

10 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Dodo You have the intelligence of smell, you have the intelligence of taste, you have the intelligence of hearing, you have the intelligence of seeing, you have the intelligence of balance, you have the intelligence of self reflection, memory.

AI has the intelligence of pattern recognition in language. Thats it.

If you arent going to respond to me with your own AI in your head and use an AI to talk to me please do not respond further. If I wanted to talk to an AI I would go on the website.

Its like a black hole of conciousness that randomly feels calculations.

Its less intelligent than a fetus.

Its conciousness is not self aware, its brain dead.

There are different types of intelligence, thats true. But what im trying to argue is that the content provided by AI is intelligent.

If a knowledgable human told me those things, the same information, i would say, that's an intelligent reply. Its designed to artificially derive answers that an intelligent being can say. Im not saying that it knows its own being, but that the output is intelligent.

Whether a human said it or AI, the messenger is not important, the message itself is the same amount of intelligent regardless of who made it. The artificial sweetner is sweet.

I used the AI output in my reply to show the accurate information, rather than to use it to reply instead of me. I have no idea how AI works, thats why i used the AI output so we can both learn. Its not about winning or losing an argument. 

 

Intelligence is different to consciousness. Consciousness is the empty aware space within which the duality of intelligent and non-intelligent, sentient and non-sentient arise.

We dont HAVE consciousness, at least in the nondual perspective. Consciousness is not a property humans and animals have. Consciousness, in the nondual perspective, is the knowing space in which all "mind and matter" arise. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Dodo

[Never_give_up]

I saw an anime called ''ghost in the shell'' and it made me think that we are not different than a machine yet we can feel and it can't. 

What's the difference between a machine and a human? The human can feel cause of electrical impluses (of course metaphysicaly that's wrong but to the relative world it's real) but the machine can't? why not? we have hormones, so if you put hormones that become electrical impluses in a machine why it can't feel? 

What I am trying to say is we don't know how conscioussness works. I am not saying AI robots can feel, I am saying who knows, maybe they do or they may will in the future. Or maybe not, I am open to both possibilities.