Anger is not always wrong

[Joseph Maynor]

I think the solution is to pay attention to when you feel anger and try to find the message behind the anger.  See if it always involves ego.  

[JoshB]

2 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

There is lots of nuances in this. You can get abused and still perform a series of selfless decisions that would end the abused and also help the abuser. That's what selflessness is. Be careful how you interpret what I just said, it can materialize in a myriad of different ways. You can't fake selflessness on the other hand. Either you are selfless in a given situation or you are not. And I am not placing any judgment in how it plays.

On the other hand, a rock cannot get abused. It is an ego thing.

Yes i can allude to what you guys are getting at im just trying to give the most radical example where anger would be justified 

[No1Here2c]

6 minutes ago, JoshB said:

But maintaining the disillusionment of self while being abused isn't easy.

Thats not the suggestion. I personally suggest harnessing egoself to break free of abuse. Do not tolerate that shit. 

Just realize it is not the dropped ice cream cone that induced your anger. It is your reaction to it. The anger is aroused of self. That is perfect and beautiful. Utilize that survival mechanism. It is placed there for a reason. Do not tolerate abuse.

Edited 6 hours ago by No1Here2c

[JoshB]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Thats not the suggestion. I personally suggest harnessing egoself to break free of abuse. Do not tolerate that shit. 

Just realize it is not the dropped ice cream cone that induced your anger. It is your reaction to it.

We're on the exact page, im saying see through the victim hood to your reaction is the challenge. 

Im not saying you are the source of the reaction or emotion.

[No1Here2c]

2 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Im not saying you are the source of the reaction or emotion.

Im saying you ARE the source of the reaction & the emotion.

[No1Here2c]

@JoshB

Take a read carefully of what everybody is saying here. You seem to be misinterpreting everything to suit your own worldview. Seriously sit down, read, and fully understand what exactly is being said.

Edited 6 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

@Joseph Maynor

What is your best argument for anger being sourced outside of egoself?

[JoshB]

6 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

@JoshB

Take a read carefully of what everybody is saying here. You seem to be misinterpreting everything to suit your own worldview. Seriously sit down, read, and fully understand what exactly is being said.

I worded that wrong I meant you are 

You absolutely are responsible for any and all of your anger and emotion. Its just hard to realize it when youre abused and I see it as justified 

There exists nothing but you so ultimately all anger must come from you 

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[No1Here2c]

@JoshB

11 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Im saying you ARE the source of the reaction & the emotion.

If you can see that than you have seen passed victimhood to at least a certain degree. You probably need more practice in the art.

If victimhood continues to arise in pervasive amounts, than it is probably a clear sign that your active circumstances must be changed.

Edited 6 hours ago by No1Here2c

[JoshB]

I was abused for years, told it was my fault, and my anger was shamed and met with more physical punishment and negative reception. 

Im emotionally exhausted just thinking about it 

Edited 6 hours ago by JoshB

[No1Here2c]

Just now, JoshB said:

I was abused for years, told it was my fault, and my anger was shamed and met with more physical punishment and negative reception. 

So you imply you are no longer being abused?

That means any suffering you feel in regard to this is of your own creation. You have now become your own abuser.

[Joseph Maynor]

13 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

@Joseph Maynor

What is your best argument for anger being sourced outside of egoself?

Everybody getting angry, even neo-advaita people who deny anger.  I've seen it.  And everyone arguing about spirituality, which shows a criticism sourced from anger that does not necessarily originate from ego.  If you weren't angry you wouldn't criticize anything, and you wouldn't mock anything.  

[No1Here2c]

Nice one

@Joseph Maynor

What exactly is this argument meant prove?

Edited 5 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Human Mint]

When I was 11 years old I used to pick on this one classmate (of course I was bullied too). Until one day he throw a punch on my stomach. He was happy afterwards and I completely understood him.

On those specific situations the most viable way to stop abuse is using force.

Edited 6 hours ago by Human Mint

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@JoshB my stance isn't about suppressing or bypassing anger. I am 100% for allowing all emotion. 

My stance is that it originates from the self. 

If you must know, I have suffered mental and physical abuse/torture in the past. For years. I ended up with a TBI. I don't require compassion. I have processed the emotions that arose as a result.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

22 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Everybody getting angry, even neo-advaita people who deny anger.  I've seen it.  And everyone arguing about spirituality, which shows a criticism sourced from anger that does not necessarily originate from ego.  If you weren't angry you wouldn't criticize anything, and you wouldn't mock anything.  

But the assumption here is that these individuals do not have a self or ego? 

Anger is from attaching to the thoughts about spirituality. Attachment is from the self or ego. 

Criticism does not always carry anger.

[No1Here2c]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@JoshB my stance isn't about suppressing or bypassing anger. I am 100% for allowing all emotion. 

My stance is that it originates from the self. 

No need to suppress anything. Allowance of emotion is how it passes through us.

I think for some individuals, a healthy outlet is hard to find. In which case I feel it necessary to minimize anger. Not via suppression, but via conscious awareness of what may cause it to appear, and how to avoid these situations.

If a situation is inevitable and unavoidable, utilizing the most healthy, conscious outlet possible can minimize the ravages that could come as a result of these types of emotions.

There is also an aspect of increasing ones own internal tolerance for anger, which requires definite awareness and internal groundedness. Through awareness of our own internal mechanisms we can subtlety 'control' how we react, and in doing so begin to raise our emotion bandwidth.

[Joseph Maynor]

32 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

But the assumption here is that these individuals do not have a self or ego? 

Anger is from attaching to the thoughts about spirituality. Attachment is from the self or ego. 

Criticism does not always carry anger.

Could one have anger that doesn't result from attachment to ego or the self?

[No1Here2c]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Could one have anger that doesn't result from attachment to ego or the self?

In theory, but how do you describe that? 

Seems doubtful anybody could communicate such a thing.

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

In theory, but how do you describe that? 

Seems doubtful anybody could communicate such a thing.

Is there any other way besides direct experience?