So what exactly is God?

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes . Two points :

1- I know 100% that god exists just by looking at a fucking ant on the street .

2-I don’t know what god is fully . We can say he (it) is omnipotent & omniscient etc but what is god in its core I have no clue . It’s an infinite mystery.

So there is a not knowing somehow as to the nature of God?

[Someone here]

Yeah 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yeah 

Can you give me more details as to how you feel about this?

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Can you give me more details as to how you feel about this?

God is said to be infinite for example. This means it cannot be known fully . How can something infinite be contained or explicated fully in a finite knowledge ? Like reading the Bible and Quran and Heart Sutra and Upanishad and all the books that talk about god can never fully comprehend infinity .

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

God is said to be infinite for example. This means it cannot be known fully

Exactly!

 

You are God/ infinity. You cannot know God/ infinity, because You are it. 
 

It’s like a mountain cannot  know it’s a mountain, because it is it. A word cannot know it’s a word, because it is it. 
 

Some people might not be able to grasp what’s being said here, but some people will. And it doesn’t really matter.

[Mellowmarsh]

Robert Adam’s said: I am is God. I am is nirvana, emptiness. I am is consciousness, and that is your reality. So there’s no real difference between me and you. Absolute reality, consciousness, is all-pervading. If it’s all-pervading, how can you be something else? You see the folly of your thinking? There is only absolute consciousness. There is only the reality. It is all-pervading. There’s nothing else.

 

So now you know. 🫵🙂

[Someone here]

@Mellowmarsh cute but the two things are not contradicting. Yes you are me and I’m you and we are god ..but what is god though ?

the point I made here is that existence is infinite . The infinite cannot be defined or quantified or measured or understood in finite words . 
existence is infinite . It has no beginning or end neither in space nor in time. We are inside an infinite 3D VR universe and you want me or Leo or some spiritual guru to tell you the whole thing as a bedtime story it is simply impossible. Nobody can do it . Nobody will .

[Mellowmarsh]

34 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Mellowmarsh cute but the two things are not contradicting. Yes you are me and I’m you and we are god ..but what is god though ?

the point I made here is that existence is infinite . The infinite cannot be defined or quantified or measured or understood in finite words . 
existence is infinite . It has no beginning or end neither in space nor in time. We are inside an infinite 3D VR universe and you want me or Leo or some spiritual guru to tell you the whole thing as a bedtime story it is simply impossible. Nobody can do it . Nobody will .

Good, now stop talking. Stop thinking, and just be infinity. 

[Someone here]

45 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Good, now stop talking. Stop thinking, and just be infinity. 

sure 👍. I just hope I was able to communicate my point clearly .  
yes you could say God is consciousness or God is Nirvana ..but this doesn’t mean we really know what god is . Because god is also infinity . It’s akin to trying to insert or fit the larger into the smaller . Like trying to take the whole universe and say what it is with words . I hope the analogy is clear enough. It’s really simple . I’m not saying god cannot be understood at all . I’m saying god cannot be understood fully .

[Mellowmarsh]

18 minutes ago, Someone here said:

sure 👍. I just hope I was able to communicate my point clearly .  
yes you could say God is consciousness or God is Nirvana ..but this doesn’t mean we really know what god is . Because god is also infinity . It’s akin to trying to insert or fit the larger into the smaller . Like trying to take the whole universe and say what it is with words . I hope the analogy is clear enough. It’s really simple . I’m not saying god cannot be understood at all . I’m saying god cannot be understood fully .

It doesn’t really matter anymore tbh. Nothing is ever going to change, life will always be a bitch and then you die. Everyone is going to die. So it’s pointless trying to understand anything. 

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It doesn’t really matter anymore tbh. Nothing is ever going to change, life will always be a bitch and then you die. Everyone is going to die. So it’s pointless trying to understand anything. 

This is disappointing to read . Don’t sell yourself short . You just said YOU ARE GOD..the greatest things EVER. 
Do you feel death anxiety as you getting older or trying to medicate some existential crisis you’re going thorough with spiritual beliefs or am I misunderstanding something? Because this is not the first time you say things like this . 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

This is disappointing to read . Don’t sell yourself short . You just said YOU ARE GOD..the greatest things EVER. 
Do you feel death anxiety as you getting older or trying to medicate some existential crisis you’re going thorough with spiritual beliefs or am I misunderstanding something? Because this is not the first time you say things like this . 

I’ve felt like this all my life. I believe Im just making up the idea of God just to make myself feel better. I even don’t believe anyone knows anything at all, especially the idea that there is a God’s existence. Yes, I go along with the idea myself even though I know deep down I’m just deluding myself as I don’t know if God is real or not. I can only wishfully believe God is real. I don’t think anyone really knows anything and that scares them, it’s like they can’t bear not to know so they just make wishful thinking their reality. Same goes for spirituality, all these spiritual people are just making everything up as they go along, and it all sounds so idealistic and flowery and comforting, anything to take away the aching longing of never not knowing anything so let’s just distract ourselves with made up spiritual stories about a loving God who’s got our back.

Im guilty of this nonsense too, believing in things that i know instinctively is impossible to know, just so my life feels like it’s got some purpose and meaning. I’ve read the book the “ Myth of Sisyphus” where it states he’s happy to keep rolling the stone ball up the hill just to watch it roll back down, and somehow he’s convinced himself that doing this all his life is what gives some kind of purpose to life, as if it’s better than no purpose at all. But I think that’s bs, I’d rather just rip off the bandaid and just unapologetically admit that conscious sentience was nature’s biggest blunder.
 

 

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’ve felt like this all my life. I believe Im just making up the idea of God just to make myself feel better. I even don’t believe anyone knows anything at all, especially the idea that there is a God’s existence. Yes, I go along with the idea myself even though I know deep down I’m just deluding myself as I don’t know if God is real or not. I can only wishfully believe God is real. I don’t think anyone really knows anything and that scares them, it’s like they can’t bear not to know so they just make wishful thinking their reality. Same goes for spirituality, all these spiritual people are just making everything up as they go along, and it all sounds so idealistic and flowery and comforting, anything to take away the aching longing of never not knowing anything so let’s just distract ourselves with made up spiritual stories about a loving God who’s got our back.

Im guilty of this nonsense too, believing in things that i know instinctively is impossible to know, just so my life feels like it’s got some purpose and meaning. I’ve read the book the “ Myth of Sisyphus” where it states he’s happy to keep rolling the stone ball up the hill just to watch it roll back down, and somehow he’s convinced himself that doing this all his life is what gives some kind of purpose to life, as if it’s better than no purpose at all. But I think that’s bs, I’d rather just rip off the bandaid and just unapologetically admit that conscious sentience was nature’s biggest blunder.
 

 

Thank you for opening up . Appreciate your honesty . I totally relate with “nobody knows jack shit “ but I also think that’s regarding the absolute nature of things .. obviously FBI agents know how to use guns..obviously labor workers know to build an apartment etc . I struggled with this absolute not knowing myself for a long time . I only realized that that’s just regarding the absolute nature of things ..it has nothing to do with handling my practical life .

Also there is really nothing worth worrying or overwhelming yourself over in this life. If you’ve got your basic human needs met and you are healthy then stick your middle finger towards the whole world. Just live a mundane life and not achieving anything grandiose and focus on meditation and finding out the truth about yourself aka awakening.  You know the awakening business is not a scam..there is actual insight that occurs into who you really are that transforms your life and the way of your perspective on your life ..suffering. etc . Enlightenment ofc is not gonna fix anything in your life ..it just gonna show you that there is nothing to fix. I know this sounds like cliche but it’s true . There is literally nothing to fix . You are completely free .

An important insight I personally had is that I'm exactly right now in the place I'm supposed to be ..in the exact condition I'm supposed to be..its not particularly a very exciting  condition but I know not a single atom in the world is out of place.  I wouldn't mind living a luxurious life ..I would pick a millionaire role over a beggar anytime ..but in the end ..Whether I'm a millionaire..billionaire..zillionaire ....I mean there is nothing to do and nowhere to go . These are not spiritual bypassing or escaping life ..it’s true . I don’t settle for anything less the brutally dead honest truth.

[Schizophonia]

It's me.

Say to me what you want to know my child. 

[Yimpa]

10 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You cannot know God/ infinity, because You are it. 

(dark night of the soul in a nutshell) 

then you realize even your teachers are deluded 💀 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Yimpa

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Mellowmarsh cute but the two things are not contradicting. Yes you are me and I’m you and we are god ..but what is god though ?

the point I made here is that existence is infinite . The infinite cannot be defined or quantified or measured or understood in finite words . 
existence is infinite . It has no beginning or end neither in space nor in time. We are inside an infinite 3D VR universe and you want me or Leo or some spiritual guru to tell you the whole thing as a bedtime story it is simply impossible. Nobody can do it . Nobody will .

It's impossible to know all the manifestations that are possible because are infinite, but it's possible to understand the mechanic of the reality. For example you could know that any manifestation is relative change and that any relative change is logical. You don't need to know every possible relative change, just knowing that any manifestation is relative change 

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’ve felt like this all my life. I believe Im just making up the idea of God just to make myself feel better. I even don’t believe anyone knows anything at all, especially the idea that there is a God’s existence. Yes, I go along with the idea myself even though I know deep down I’m just deluding myself as I don’t know if God is real or not. I can only wishfully believe God is real. I don’t think anyone really knows anything and that scares them, it’s like they can’t bear not to know so they just make wishful thinking their reality. Same goes for spirituality, all these spiritual people are just making everything up as they go along, and it all sounds so idealistic and flowery and comforting, anything to take away the aching longing of never not knowing anything so let’s just distract ourselves with made up spiritual stories about a loving God who’s got our back.

I dont understand what would be so unsettling about not knowing something. Youre sitting there or whatever, you see your room around you, the stuff, you experience yourself being there, you may feel relaxed in your body etc. Why would it be unsettling that your idea of "god" might be something you dont even know, like does the room change because of that, why would it change the feeling in your body or whatever? Its one thing to feel that you have a negative idea and you feel unsettled because you believe its true, vs what youre talking about, being having an idea that you realize you dont know is true. If it is unsettling to you, thats like stuff going on in your mind, the rest is the same. But even if you do find that pleasant idea that you believe is true, how would you even be able to sustain living from that place and keeping that positivity stable. Thats like all in you, and im not even enlightened or something, saying this. Youre the one talking about the non dual I saw in some posts, and you spoke as if you were truly coming from that place, but youre now talking about being unsettled by shedded beliefs on mind level or something, how do those add up 

Edited 2 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Someone here]

49 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's impossible to know all the manifestations that are possible because are infinite, but it's possible to understand the mechanic of the reality. For example you could know that any manifestation is relative change and that any relative change is logical. You don't need to know every possible relative change, just knowing that any manifestation is relative change 

I agree . But I will say that knowing and being are two different domains. You could write a whole library of books describing a sunset scientifically or poetically but to see the sunset is a totally different story. Yes we can create models that describe accurately how partial parts of reality works but we can never  address the question of what is reality with models or concepts . Because concept is concept and direct experience is direct experience.

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Youre the one talking about the non dual I saw in some posts, and you spoke as if you were truly coming from that place, but youre now talking about being unsettled by shedded beliefs on mind level or something, how do those add up 

Yes I know what you mean. But I just have to confess, I’ve been lying and parroting stuff I’ve heard about God or Nonduality.

I liked the flavour of these ideas and tried to live through them as if I truly believed them to be real and the truth of reality.

 Thing is, I’ve been deluding myself, I don’t actually believe half if any of the stuff I’ve been discussing here at this forum. I’ve just been a typical parrot going along with ideas just because they sound good. Truth is I’ve lived my entire life being fake and performative just to fit in from fear of Fomo … I’ve been pretentious thinking about the existence of God and thinking I know what I’m talking about, when I actually don’t know anything at all. Life is just a complete mysterious void to me, and I’ve just gone along filling in the blanks with all sorts of ideas that I instinctively know are man made fictions.

Im just coming out today to tell this forum that I’ve been a pretentious performative parrot. In all honesty and truth I have absolutely no idea why anything is alive in the first place. It’s all so meaningless and pointless that’s why I’ve been drawn to nonduality as a means to escape. I do like the idea that my life is just a very temporary blip of light between two black eternities, so I find much relief in that knowledge. I know somethings are known obviously, but my problem is trying to understand why life has to exist in the first place, rather than just nothing for all eternity. I’ve felt this way all my life, I remember as a child being horrified at the sensation of existing, but I had to hide that feeling all my life. It’s not for me.

My relief was to believe in God, and non dualism was a form of escaping the horrors of being alive.

[Sugarcoat]

16 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes I know what you mean. But I just have to confess, I’ve been lying and parroting stuff I’ve heard about God or Nonduality.

I liked the flavour of these ideas and tried to live through them as if I truly believed them to be real and the truth of reality.

 Thing is, I’ve been deluding myself, I don’t actually believe half if any of the stuff I’ve been discussing here at this forum. I’ve just been a typical parrot going along with ideas just because they sound good. Truth is I’ve lived my entire life being fake and performative just to fit in from fear of Fomo … I’ve been pretentious thinking about the existence of God and thinking I know what I’m talking about, when I actually don’t know anything at all. Life is just a complete mysterious void to me, and I’ve just gone along filling in the blanks with all sorts of ideas that I instinctively know are man made fictions.

Im just coming out today to tell this forum that I’ve been a pretentious performative parrot. In all honesty and truth I have absolutely no idea why anything is alive in the first place. It’s all so meaningless and pointless that’s why I’ve been drawn to nonduality as a means to escape. I do like the idea that my life is just a very temporary blip of light between two black eternities, so I find much relief in that knowledge. I know somethings are known obviously, but my problem is trying to understand why life has to exist in the first place, rather than just nothing for all eternity. I’ve felt this way all my life, I remember as a child being horrified at the sensation of existing, but I had to hide that feeling all my life. It’s not for me.

My relief was to believe in God, and non dualism was a form of escaping the horrors of being alive.

Im loving your reply right now, thats really genuine and aware expression

What youre saying about life being mysterious void to you, perhaps that is more spiritual than the state you were in when you convinced yourself of those ideas. So youre maybe not at all missing out on that spirituality you feel "Fomo" about , but rather the opposite.

But ofc feeling empty could be of different quality, for example as I mentioned before as a child I felt unsettling emptiness, but it wasn't of spiritual quality if you could say that. So thats something to consider , can be hard to tell

I can relate to you in that last paragraph actually. I also had these disturbing feelings about reality as a child. I would visualize "eternity" and feeling disturbed at the idea that we stuck in eternal existence (forced to be conscious basically). And as I said before, just feeling disturbed in that sensation of existing, as you said, and thinking "in a way it would be better if it was just eternal sleep, no suffering"

I was taught religion as a child, but I remember how even as I child, I was aware to to some degree that I didn't actually believe that, but that I used prayer as a way to seek comfort to cover the disturbing sense. 

Personally I feel that these kind of expressions, where we are really expressing what we´re feeling and thinking deep down (could be thinking them to ourselves too), that in itself can relieve some of the negativity already. Because it's almost like you are asserting yourself in reality, connecting to yourself or something when youre authentically expressing 

: )

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sugarcoat