So Air causes Cancer... that you believe?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 hours ago, integral said:

My god, its shocking how hard it is to explain air to people lmfao. 

Yes but in @UnbornTao's defence - look at how confusing this thread is - the title says 'causes cancer' which is typically a chronic exposure issue. Obviously some substances are so lethal to inhale or be around they can cause cancer. But the second list you prompt to contemplate - it points to prolonged chronic exposure, which, given the threat title 'causes cancer', leads users to contemplate your second list and how these substances can contribute to cancer over a longer period. This is even emphasised by you inviting us to consider these substances may be benign, but with chronic exposure (cancer as the context) they may be insidious. I do not see any acute-lethal substances there.

So you can hardly be surprised OTHERS are confused when you switch context to acute short term effects

[integral]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

So you can hardly be surprised OTHERS are confused when you switch context to acute short term effects

LMAOOOOO thats a solid point. I hear by hand in my resignation of master of forum air. 🫡  

Air is both acute and accumulates long-term.

Air can cause fatigue immediately like the air normally found in office spaces, while long-term exposure stresses other mechanisms in the body that then lead to well-known illnesses like cancer, hashimotos or fibromyalgia.

Airs effect on ADHD has many mechanisms all working together.

• One is that it immediately causes brain incoherence and a drop in consciousness (level), within 10 seconds, then coherence drops even more the longer its inhaled.  @Carl-Richard
• the second is it's impairing sleep because it's being inhaled during sleep disrupting the endocrine system, and various systems in the body. Poor recovery = poor mental health.
• Neuroimmune activation, and neuro inflammation cause digestive stress disrupting the brain-gut axis.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, integral said:

Air is both acute and accumulates long-term.

Air can cause fatigue immediately like the air normally found in office spaces, while long-term exposure stresses other mechanisms in the body that then lead to well-known illnesses like cancer, hashimotos or fibromyalgia.

Airs effect on ADHD has many mechanisms all working together.

• One is that it immediately causes brain incoherence and a drop in consciousness (level). 
• the second is it's impairing sleep because it's being inhaled during sleep disrupting the endocrine system, and various systems in the body. Poor recovery = poor mental health.
• Neuroimmune activation, and neuro inflammation cause digestive stress disrupting the brain-gut axis.

 

BRO. WAHT

It just clicked my Hashimotos went into remission and thyroid levels went back to normal-ish 2 months after I moved houses to a more modern, but much better ventilated area. An area surrounded by trees, nature and a riverland. Huh. I even went off my meds... and I don't recall changing anything else. Maybe it was some sort of autoimmune thing from the building I was living in. A possibility I had not considered. I was in that place for 6 years and had issues the whole time with thyroid levels. 

I wonder if 2 months lag-time was enough for it to effect me systemically?

Food for thought.

6 minutes ago, integral said:

LMAOOOOO thats a solid point. I hear by hand in my resignation of master of forum air. 🫡  

I mean, it's all linked and relevant really. I just noticed why there was confusion  

[integral]

12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

BRO. WAHT

It just clicked my Hashimotos went into remission and thyroid levels went back to normal-ish 2 months after I moved houses to a more modern, but much better ventilated area. An area surrounded by trees, nature and a riverland. Huh. I even went off my meds... and I don't recall changing anything else. Maybe it was some sort of autoimmune thing from the building I was living in. A possibility I had not considered. I was in that place for 6 years and had issues the whole time with thyroid levels. 

I wonder if 2 months lag-time was enough for it to effect me systemically?

Food for thought.

DUDE this is insane, that CLICK took me 12 years to figure out LMFAO. 

I discovered air was causing my health issues in the exact same way where I randomly moved house and 99% of my symptoms went away. This was 12 years of hell and chronic insomnia, digestion problems, everything you can think of, and it nearly instantly went away after just changing house.

So obviously I was confused, and during contemplation realized the only thing that changed was the air

So then I went down the rabbit hole experimenting, I would take a candle and sleep with it and see what would happened. And so on. And noticed all of my symptoms came back.

Then I started to do micro experiments, and noticed that every little possible thing in the air altered some part of my physiology and some part of my mental state. Even smelling a lemon for a couple of minutes has a specific "high".

Basically we are all high on the air.

---

Leo keeps making the point that oh it's a full-time job to care about all these air related things, but really it doesn't have to be perfect you just have to be not chronically exposed to it in your house. That's the real killer.

Edited 3 hours ago by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@integral

Quote

Leo keeps making the point that oh it's a full-time job to care about all these air related things, but really it doesn't have to be perfect you just have to be not chronically exposed to it in your house. That's the real killer.

Could also be 'death by a thousand cuts' in that, tiny reductions in pollutants across the board produces a tangible result. As opposed to say, one single thing causing issues. Health is homeostasis, and the body has a beautiful ability to adjust and regulate.compensate to less than optimal conditions. But it reaches a tipping point where these balancing systems break or are overwhelmed - manifesting in disease.

I think Leo's comments may have just been steering more towards a balanced approach. Perfectionistic tendencies tend to push us into black and white thinking that reduces nuance. That perfectionism can also backfire into anxiety and excessive thought around a single topic. Predisposition & preoccupation with a topic that detracts form overall quality of life. 

I am not sure, this was just how I read Leo's comments toward you 🤙🏻

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

One swordfish a day keeps the doctor away.