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[Xonas Pitfall]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Xonas Pitfall You want your daughter showing her pussy to the world for a small chance of riches?

Don't forget that most girls won't earn much, yet their reputations will be ruined forever.

Do you want your daughter getting addicted to heroin, then selling her own body, losing her youth, health, terrorize her family, and finances in desperate attempts to get the same high again?

You want your son encouraging other girls to show their pussies to the world for a small chance of riches?

These are all horrible, but I just don’t see the argument for why OnlyFans is worse than all the others mentioned above.

It’s a complete misconception that all attractive girls will want to do OnlyFans, just as it would be wrong to say all guys will be attracted to OnlyFans agencies, NFTs, or crypto schemes. These all appeal to certain kinds of people, and only certain types of people get rich doing them. They’re all flawed and deeply problematic, but I don’t understand the biased comparison being made with them.

Don’t forget, you originally said this as well:

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Doing porn is less bad in my eyes because it has a huge stigma and barrier to entry, which is good.

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It is like weed is more of a trap than heroin. Most people are too afraid of heroin but ruin themselves with weed thinking it's not so bad.

Which would imply:

Doing heroin is less bad than weed in my eyes because it has a huge stigma and barrier to entry, which is good.

Does that make sense?

To clarify, I am not saying this stuff is good or should be encouraged, but I’m trying to point out the bias that happens when we focus only on OnlyFans. I hope I made that clear.

Edited 9 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[AION]

16 hours ago, Jowblob said:

Men are raised with what they should do for women and how they should treat women, including responsibility, providing, protecting.
Women are raised with what they should expect from men and how they should be treated, standards, boundaries 

This is "traditionally" and within 50 years this will be unheard of i think.

I think Natasha is wrong for calling AION points as "internet ideology" and ignoring his points that come from
observable behaviours. And AION is wrong for placing all or most woman into the status or hypergamy section and much more.

In the end i think AION wins because of one point that he made regarding biological influences,they will always overrule culture and everything
that fits in it. You can look at it from the consciousness view, if your dna/biology allows you to understand undelaying constructs and mechanisms while others don't, you're
already at a big advantage. (You have to remember we're in a world that plays the "survival game")

 

Read my first post on this forum back in the 2022 below in the screenshot, it will tell you enough and is very interesting, what i mean. It's a post regarding me becoming a sperm donor and making clinical psychologist falling in love with me.

 

 

Thanks. This is why I don't usually take the baits for debates on this high consciousness forum, it is just not worth it for me.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

18 year old make $50 million on OF:

This is worse than heroin.

It was years of preparation and hard work from her lmfao. First she promoted herself on Dr. Phill as a bratty teen sparking fake outrage from consetards. Then she turned that into a rap career further expanding on that brattiness. And the day she turned 18, she reaped that simp harvest lmfao there's no way that was not calculated. Simps and their money are soon separated

[Basman]

2 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

It was years of preparation and hard work from her lmfao. First she promoted herself on Dr. Phill as a bratty teen sparking fake outrage from consetards. Then she turned that into a rap career further expanding on that brattiness. And the day she turned 18, she reaped that simp harvest lmfao there's no way that was not calculated. Simps and their money are soon separated

She's a marketer! Put that on a resume. 

Scammed 50 mil out of simps.

Edited 5 hours ago by Basman

[Basman]

Simping is easier than getting a real girlfriend. That's why guys do it. 

Now, I can see myself tier 3 subbing if a creator produces content that hits all my buttons perfectly, especially if they take input. It's hard to find good porn nowadays and I'm getting bored of my old stuff. 

[Jowblob]

5 hours ago, AION said:

Thanks. This is why I don't usually take the baits for debates on this high consciousness forum, it is just not worth it for me.

People live in different realities, what may be truth for you or others isn't truth for others, they only know what they have experienced, they only know what the consciousness stream provided them with. There are people that will deny most obvious things ever, just like in a dream.

Why do you think there are people that spend most of their entire life doing 1 thing, some do porn their entire life, some do engineering, some do science, some do taxi driving, some are going out and partying, some do gloryhole fun, some do swinging, some do drugs and tweaking, etc. they all live in different realities and their consciousness stream is focused on their particular reality.

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[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

It was years of preparation and hard work from her lmfao. First she promoted herself on Dr. Phill as a bratty teen sparking fake outrage from consetards. Then she turned that into a rap career further expanding on that brattiness. And the day she turned 18, she reaped that simp harvest lmfao there's no way that was not calculated. Simps and their money are soon separated

This is a SICKNESSSSSS of the HIIIIIGHEST ORDAAAA.

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Leo Gura You are extremely biased on these issues.

You’ve seen the darker side of porn: sex trafficking, exploitative contracts that strip performers of ownership over their content, predatory revenue splits, and agencies pushing women past their limits. This especially impacts women with fewer options, who are often sold a dream of success, only to end up barely making money, while their content is permanently owned and distributed by someone else. Not to mention how extreme and degrading porn content can become when agencies have the authority to pressure performers into doing more and more.

Your argument that “because it’s safer and easier, it’s therefore worse” doesn’t make sense. That would be like saying you'd rather people do heroin than weed because it’s more immediately destructive and scary, which is obviously absurd.

There’s a clear double standard. When large companies, often run by men, profit off women, set the terms, and push content in more extreme directions, it is normalized as “good ol' porn.” But when women take back some control, set their own limits, and profit directly from their work, suddenly it’s "worse than heroin", "This is a SICKNESSSSSS of the HIIIIIGHEST ORDAAAA."

What are we even arguing at that point?

• Exploitation of women with less control is acceptable, "No one is getting scammed with good ol porn." "It's worse than porn."
• But autonomy with more control over men (buyers) is somehow the real problem? "This is worse than heroin." "This is a SICKNESSSSSS of the HIIIIIGHEST ORDAAAA."

You can criticize both systems if you want; that’s fair. 

But why is a system where more men might potentially be exploited considered worse than heroin and described as something of the highest level of degeneracy, while a system that has been historically exploitative and predatory toward women for ages is dismissed as “good old porn,” and seen as more acceptable? Very biased and double standards.

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[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

as “good old porn,”

I am not being too serious here.

I know porn is bad for women.

I said "good ol porn" from the POV of simps not being scammed. Not from the POV of the women in it. At least porn does not exploit its viewers. OF does.

I am biased against OF because porn is already highly stigmatized for girls. Girls know the porn industry is shameful. OF normalizes and trivializes a thing that should not be normalized and trivialized.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

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This is worse than heroin.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

This is a SICKNESSSSSS of the HIIIIIGHEST ORDAAAA.

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It's worse than porn.

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Doing porn is less bad in my eyes. You want your daughter showing her pussy to the world for a small chance of riches?

Do you see the double standard and bias in how you critique one and the other? Do you acknowledge that? Why such discrepancy? That was my point.

Such critiquing sensationalist comments for OF, but with porn, when called out on the bias, its "ha ha, just jokes guys, nothing too serious here. Teehee" 😅😆

It’s similar to when evangelical Christians go hard on theories to try to disprove scientists, hyper commentary, dramatic, but then when those same standards are applied to inconsistencies in the Bible, it suddenly becomes, “Well, the Bible is metaphorical, it doesn’t exactly mean what it says!”

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Do you acknowledge that? Why such discrepancy? That was my point

I acknowledged and answered exactly that point above.

This is a thread about the harm of OF. This is not a porn thread.

And you don't seem to even be picking up on my jokes.

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[Xonas Pitfall]

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At least porn does not exploit its viewers. OF does.

At least OF does not exploit its creators. Porn does.

Both are extremely bad in their edge cases. In most cases, they’re just porn. Most creators don’t overcharge, and most consumers get what they pay for. In the extreme cases, either men are heavily exploited, or women are heavily exploited. There’s nothing better or worse here, imo. Or at the very least, so disproportionately exaggerated as to call one more acceptable than the other, or to claim that one is worse than heroin, while other not.

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I am biased against OF because porn is already highly stigmatized for girls. Girls know the porn industry is shameful. OF normalizes and trivializes a thing that should not be normalized and trivialized.

OF and traditional porn both carry a stigma. It’s being framed as if all creators are scamming men and all attractive women are being influenced by OF propaganda, which simply isn’t true in the slightest, and is backed up by stats, too. For every new "persuaded" OF creator, there are probably many women, historically and currently, being trafficked or pressured into porn under far worse conditions. And for every scammed guy, there’s probably some borderline legal-aged girl being pushed into a highly perverted, degrading scene that goes against her boundaries.

The position you have now is more reasonable, but it definitely feels somewhat like backtracking. Still, more okay 

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[Xonas Pitfall]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

And you don't seem to even be picking up on my jokes.

Jokes are fine, I just pointed out the bias 😅

Hence why I gave this example (replace joke as the metaphor)

23 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

It’s similar to when evangelical Christians go hard on theories to try to disprove scientists, hyper commentary, dramatic, but then when those same standards are applied to inconsistencies in the Bible, it suddenly becomes, “Well, the Bible is metaphorical, it doesn’t exactly mean what it says! Just a metaphor, guys!”

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This is a thread about the harm of OF. This is not a porn thread.

You also brought up porn vs. OF comparison comments, no? Hence why I quoted them and responded/talked about both.

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[Leo Gura]

@Xonas Pitfall I was not here writing an academic thesis on the harms of porn vs OF. I was casually commenting on how OF corrupts girls.

This should not be hard to understand.

You guys sometimes take things I say here too seriously. I'm spitballing ideas here half the time.

If you want to argue that porn is more harmful than OF, I have no issue with that.

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[Xonas Pitfall]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Xonas Pitfall I was not here writing an academic thesis on the harms of porn vs OF. I was casually commenting on how OF corrupts girls.

This should not be hard to understand.

All good & clear! I was just pointing out the bias and incorrect things said in some of the statements. . . 😅

[Xonas Pitfall]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys sometimes take things I say here too seriously. I'm spitballing ideas here half the time.

Then. . .  perhaps don’t say it in such an opinionated and assured way, especially if it sounds like a broad social commentary? But it’s all clear now, so no worries!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Xonas Pitfall it is the way @Leo Gura states things matter of fact & with confident delivery.

Things become hard to filter (opinion from teaching/truth) because there is spitball Leo, and there is teacher/facilitator Leo.

I normally probe for further nuance/clarification. So it requires everything taken in good faith.

Unless Leo is being a naughty and reacting egoically - which we all do from time to time  

 

Edited 32 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[integral]

8 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

It was years of preparation and hard work from her lmfao. First she promoted herself on Dr. Phill as a bratty teen sparking fake outrage from consetards. Then she turned that into a rap career further expanding on that brattiness. And the day she turned 18, she reaped that simp harvest lmfao there's no way that was not calculated. Simps and their money are soon separated

Let's keep it real she achieved her full potential. This is as good as it's going to get.

Most people their full potential is just scam artistry

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Unless Leo is being a naughty