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[Xonas Pitfall]

@AION 

Again, I don’t have any issues if you just want to engage casually with women now and then plan to settle later in life. And if you hold the same opinion toward women in general, that people have fun dating, and eventually find someone they click with, connect with, and commit to, then great.

But that perspective feels too calm and neutral compared to the types of comments & posts you make. I’ve included some of them below for reference:

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How Feminism Became The West's New Moral Authority

The egoism of our time

It is always me me me.

It is important to not get gaslighted and keep your own frame

Being anti main culture boils down to keep your own frame and giving it away

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With or without OnlyCancer most women are ruined. Bimbo inflation is independent of that. The best you can do is just play the hypergamy curve.

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 In the past patriarchy forced women to be loyal because if she started acting hypergamous aka dick hopping they would be shamed and ostracized by their community. It was kind of helpful for the community and child raising. But with the destruction of the patriarchal frame (which was hold by the family members) women have the freedom to act more from their true nature which is egoistic and hypergamous. So according to stats 80% of the population of women want the top 10-20% of men. That is how female animals act like chimps(female chimps only want to mate with the best men). But the difference between chimps and men is that having multiple families is not ok so a lot of women end up as side " girls"  and never get wifed up by Chad and Tyrone. 

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Too much feminism is the same as too much egoism

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Men are naive. Although men have the capacity to be more rational in general, in relationships it is a different story. In relationsihps men are the more emotional ones while women can be ruthlessly rational from an egoistic hypergamous standpoint. 

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Epstein files dropped. Funny how the matrix tried to get Tate but the matrix much more dirt on their hands. Tate starting to look like a nice guy with a webcam business. 🤣I always look with a weary eye to people who are so anti Tate. They are hiding something. 

There’s plenty more btw, but these are just a few quick examples I found to illustrate my point. None of this really comes across as “I understand that people want to have fun in their 'prime years', casually date, and that both men and women have their own more or less shallow preferences. Eventually, you find someone you click with, commit to, and build something together. People are people.”

Instead, a lot of it feels like blaming women and criticizing them for doing the same casual or “promiscuous” behavior that you’re also engaging in, them being more opportunistic, "egoistic", and hypergamous in a shallow way, and still being interested in them for similar superficial reasons. This is all something you’re doing yourself, so why is all the blame being placed on women?

Do you see my point? It feels quite hypocritical.

52 minutes ago, AION said:

But if she is good girl type, innocent and such, I would perhaps play a different game if she is worth it, doesn't have too many notches on her belt, good personality and such.

Even here, I’m not sure what to think. Ideally, you don’t engage with those types of women if you notice they will genuinely get attached, so you don’t hurt them. "Play a different game." What does that mean here? If you want to be right and not cope just to get a higher-quality girl, you will end up hurting their emotions eventually. And then you will turn around and ask, “Where have all the good women gone? Why are they all so bitter, hardened, and not feminine anymore?” Well, if you treat those “highly feminine” girls as a game, then that is ultimately what gets reflected to you. But, I won’t say much here since I don’t really know what you meant in that comment and don't want to overassume. In general, I find this type of comment from men quite hypocritical. They praise highly feminine, receptive, attached women who stay “pure,” but then a man approaches them, charms them, and eventually treats the situation as more casual than she does. Then they act surprised when those same women become more guarded or hardened later on.

[AION]

@Xonas Pitfall Women´s body aren´t made to be hypergamous, and there are studies that being `loose` hurts women psychologically. The same doesn´t count for men´s body and psychology. Some the variables in dating aren´t equal for men and women. Neither did I say the game is the same for men and women. You asumed that. The game is very different for women visavis men.

Obviously women can do whatever they like and act like men but that is to their own detriment. When I made those comments I made them more from the perspective of society. For example what kind of effect bimbo inflation has on society, birth rates and such.

In the past women suffered because of masculine egoism, and today society suffers because of feminine egoism called extreme feminism.  My opinion is not going to change these huge societal fluxes so I think you shouldn´t put some much weight on my opinion like I´m carrying the world on my shoulders.

All is fair in love and war. Because the stakes are so high. People can be vicious and I only internalized and integrated that viciousness. I never claimed to be a saint. I think you are too naive about human relationships and what it is really about. There are no free hand outs to an integrous studious stud like you. Nobody is going to fuck you because you are so naive and have good intentions. Pussy is not handed out as charity. 😂

So I want you think about the following± why do guys have to be like this to get laid? What is the cause? And why does it happen? 

Edited yesterday at 03:40 PM by AION

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, ZenAlex said:

How do you know she doesn't have a husband or a solid enough relationship? Has she said?

It is defence mechanisms kicking in. He doesn't know what he is talking about, and simultaneously is desperate to try to cause hurt. 

It's pretty disrespectful I admit. And embarrassing behaviour from them.

Edited yesterday at 03:46 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[VioleGrace]

38 minutes ago, AION said:

Women´s body aren´t made to be hypergamous, and there are studies that being `loose` hurts women psychologically. The same doesn´t count for men´s body and psychology. Some the variables in dating aren´t equal for men and women. Neither did I say the game is the same for men and women. You asumed that. The game is very different for women visavis men.

Obviously women can do whatever they like and act like men but that is to their own detriment. When I made those comments I made them more from the perspective of society. For example what kind of effect bimbo inflation has on society, birth rates and such.

In the past women suffered because of masculine egoism, and today society suffers because of feminine egoism called extreme feminism.  My opinion is not going to change these huge societal fluxes so I think you shouldn´t put some much weight on my opinion like I´m carrying the world on my shoulders.

All is fair in love and war. Because the stakes are so high. People can be vicious and I only internalized and integrated that viciousness. I never claimed to be a saint. I think you are too naive about human relationships and what it is really about. There are no free hand outs to an integrous studious stud like you. Nobody is going to fuck you because you are so naive and have good intentions. Pussy is not handed out as charity. 😂

So I want you think about the following± why do guys have to be like this to get laid? What is the cause? And why does it happen? 

I can agree to most of these takes, 

They are much more accurate than your previous posts and much more nuanced 

[Osaid]

17 hours ago, AION said:

I can actually bond with older women than myself quite easily, because I don't want romatics or sex from them and just want to be friends with them. Currently I'm also casually dating so I don't want to bond and I'm totally fine with that for now because that is just gaming.

That's basically the same mechanism I was pointing at. The older woman creates an opportunity for a less deeper bond since it feels safer for you. The younger is exempt because they're all evil, or something.

17 hours ago, AION said:

I don't think I have a gender ideology.

I dunno man, run this convo through GPT or something and see what it thinks. 

[AION]

6 minutes ago, Osaid said:

That's basically the same mechanism I was pointing at. The older woman creates an opportunity for a less deeper bond since it feels safer for you. The younger is exempt because they're all evil, or something.

 

I'm getting better at treating hot women as friends though.

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I dunno man, run this convo through GPT or something and see what it thinks. 

GPT is not that good. Too social justice warior-esk for this topic. I ran it through Grok already and it mostly agreed with me although it also gave me some criticism which I took to heart.

5 hours ago, VioleGrace said:

I can agree to most of these takes, 

They are much more accurate than your previous posts and much more nuanced 

Thanks

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It is defence mechanisms kicking in. He doesn't know what he is talking about, and simultaneously is desperate to try to cause hurt. 

It's pretty disrespectful I admit. And embarrassing behaviour from them.

I didn't want to be hurtful though. Some people forced me to respond, accusing me that I'm avoiding debates. That is why I went in to make my point which I usually don't do because it hurts people's feelings.

Edited 23 hours ago by AION

[Osaid]

4 minutes ago, AION said:

GPT is not that good. Too social justice warior-esk for this topic.

Too unbiased? 

4 minutes ago, AION said:

I ran it through Grok already and it mostly agreed with me although it also gave me some criticism which I took to heart.

Oh nice.

4 minutes ago, AION said:

I'm getting better at treating hot women as friends though.

 friendzoning all women is a hardcore strategy

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AION reread what you wrote. 

You made many assumptions about me and attempted character jabs. You were condescending + assumed the worst about me, and from me. This is the constant theme in your dialogue with me.

You violated the forum rules.

Edited 23 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Jowblob]

Men are raised with what they should do for women and how they should treat women, including responsibility, providing, protecting.
Women are raised with what they should expect from men and how they should be treated, standards, boundaries 

This is "traditionally" and within 50 years this will be unheard of i think.

I think Natasha is wrong for calling AION points as "internet ideology" and ignoring his points that come from
observable behaviours. And AION is wrong for placing all or most woman into the status or hypergamy section and much more.

In the end i think AION wins because of one point that he made regarding biological influences,they will always overrule culture and everything
that fits in it. You can look at it from the consciousness view, if your dna/biology allows you to understand undelaying constructs and mechanisms while others don't, you're
already at a big advantage. (You have to remember we're in a world that plays the "survival game")

 

Read my first post on this forum back in the 2022 below in the screenshot, it will tell you enough and is very interesting, what i mean. It's a post regarding me becoming a sperm donor and making clinical psychologist falling in love with me.

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Jowblob

[Jowblob]

I don't want to take any sides, and i'm not interested in debating or drama. But i'm just gonna post this out here as an add-on to my post above. A post from my old self or a previous version of myself. Now i'm at a point where sex/energies/feelings are available within me and my consciousness, so all this survival nonsense and how to get females becomes irrelevant. But as i've said earlier, you can't place your societal ideas or your own ideas against Genetics/Biology which is something that is coded by GOD. And Genetics/Biology is responsible for your capacity of understanding and consciousness that you can carry. In the bigger "END" all this nonsense from the past could've been a dream i believed in, so it doesn't matter.

Edited 21 hours ago by Jowblob

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Jowblob thanks for your take! 

My points were that some of the biological / social roles men and women play are trends in the sexes and not absolutes, to be clear. I think it is wrong to attribute selfishness and ego to a sex. That is what I called out AION for. 

I'll also point out I didn't engage much of any of AION's talking points - precisely because a lot of what he says is correct - but there are some falsehoods mixed in that can make one fall into victim mindset. Not all of what he said is part of red pill ideology. I don't care to point out where he is wrong - I've done it in previous conversations before and it was not well recieved by them. That is why there is so much hostility present from that end.

There's a lot of very legit red pill stuff. It's the solutions that are proposed as a result that become troublesome. 

 

[Jowblob]

32 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Jowblob thanks for your take! 

My points were that some of the biological / social roles men and women play are trends in the sexes and not absolutes, to be clear. I think it is wrong to attribute selfishness and ego to a sex. That is what I called out AION for. 

I'll also point out I didn't engage much of any of AION's talking points - precisely because a lot of what he says is correct - but there are some falsehoods mixed in that can make one fall into victim mindset. Not all of what he said is part of red pill ideology. I don't care to point out where he is wrong - I've done it in previous conversations before and it was not well recieved by them. That is why there is so much hostility present from that end.

There's a lot of very legit red pill stuff. It's the solutions that are proposed as a result that become troublesome. 

 

You should've stopped posting after he started to take it personal regarding your posts or 'you' being angry or having a certain vibe etc. as this was an illussion in itself coming from his reality, your posts were clear minded with no emotion in them

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

You should've stopped posting after he started to take it personal regarding your posts or 'you' being angry or having a certain vibe etc. as this was an illussion in itself coming from his reality, your posts were clear minded with no emotion in them

I understand your point. I had hope there might be some calm breathing room between posts. I have seen some top quality content from AION, so I think I have my own expectations for his maturity working against me. All of us on our own path and timeline. I think I was more sad to see one responding to the person and not the point.

Cheers

[Xonas Pitfall]

18 hours ago, AION said:

@Xonas Pitfall Women´s body aren´t made to be hypergamous, and there are studies that being `loose` hurts women psychologically. The same doesn´t count for men´s body and psychology. Some the variables in dating aren´t equal for men and women. Neither did I say the game is the same for men and women. You asumed that. The game is very different for women visavis men.

Obviously women can do whatever they like and act like men but that is to their own detriment. When I made those comments I made them more from the perspective of society. For example what kind of effect bimbo inflation has on society, birth rates and such.

In the past women suffered because of masculine egoism, and today society suffers because of feminine egoism called extreme feminism.  My opinion is not going to change these huge societal fluxes so I think you shouldn´t put some much weight on my opinion like I´m carrying the world on my shoulders.

All is fair in love and war. Because the stakes are so high. People can be vicious and I only internalized and integrated that viciousness. I never claimed to be a saint. I think you are too naive about human relationships and what it is really about. There are no free hand outs to an integrous studious stud like you. Nobody is going to fuck you because you are so naive and have good intentions. Pussy is not handed out as charity. 😂

Let's try tackling this one by one... 

#1 The fact that now your responses are more studious and grounded is a bad sign. That was one of my original points when I gave examples above. You can make extremely broad, sensationalist, women-blaming statements & posts, shaming women for being selfish, commenting on morality, higher values, corruptions, etc., and then when people call you out on it, suddenly it’s: “Well... I’m no saint,” “it is what it is,” “love is vicious, and I’ve just integrated that viciousness,” “All is fair in love and war! Don’t take what I say as some broad commentary on the world.”

Do you see how strongly you come in, claiming, blaming, and bashing women and feminism, making sweeping statements about people, but then, when someone challenges you, you back off? It becomes: “Well, hey now, why are you so focused on me? It’s not like I’m talking about the entire state of the world. Plus, I’m no saint.” But you still feel comfortable commenting on other people’s lack of “saintliness”?

#2 The comment about men and women being different, sure, that’s not what I was criticizing. My point is that the system you’re describing doesn’t actually work. In your framework, men are free to sleep with as many women as they want before committing, while women are damaged, mentally and physically, if they do the same. But look at how that plays out in reality:

Men say they want “high-quality” women, feminine, emotionally vulnerable, sweet, young, beautiful, naive. Then those same men go out, charm, seduce, and manipulate those exact women. But because they get bored or want variety, they cheat, leave, detach, and end up traumatizing them. And what happens next? Those women become more guarded. They warn other women. They demand more independence, more protection, and distance from men. At the same time, men praise the idea of a “traditional” family, loyalty, love, stable parents, Christian values, but show very little interest in actually upholding those values themselves.

How are men supposed to gain all this “experience” if women are expected to remain virgins? Who are they sleeping with? Sex workers or more “easy” women? But then those women are labeled as “whores” and looked down on. So the very behavior that enables men is the same behavior they condemn. Men say they want more sex, but then complain that women are too promiscuous. Then they say they want less promiscuity, but get frustrated when women ask for commitment, stability, or a ring. They say they want femininity, love, care, sweetness, vulnerability, but don’t step up to reciprocate that with commitment or emotional responsibility.

Do you see how hypocritical and dysfunctional this whole system is? If the stance is simply “I want sex, and yes, I’ll treat some women badly because I can,” then at least that’s honest. But then why dress it up as some larger commentary on women, feminism, or morality?

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So I want you think about the following± why do guys have to be like this to get laid? What is the cause? And why does it happen? 

I understand that it’s frustrating and difficult to control sexual desire. I’m not pretending it’s easy or that everyone should live up to some perfect, utopian standard. But at the very least, acknowledge the bias, hypocrisy, and selfishness involved. That’s the first step, and a big reason why these patterns keep repeating. I have far less of an issue with guys who are honest and say, “I just want sex, and I’ll be manipulative or act like trash to get it because I feel starved of it. I know it hurts women. I know people like me contribute to the problem, but this is where I’m at.” At least that’s self-aware.

What bothers me is when men behave that same way, but then turn around and start making broad claims about women, feminism, morality, higher values, so strongly and assuredly, about how the world and then women should be, but they themselves have 0 interest in upholding these values and honoring the good people.

That’s the issue.

If what you really care about is sex, and you’re willing to act in certain ways to get it, then just own that. That’s where your position actually ends. Going beyond that in commentary is just ridiculous.

[Leo Gura]

18 year old make $50 million on OF:

This is worse than heroin.

[Shermaningeorgia]

people grossly overblow OF's appeal and reach. People act like the masses of young women are on there. No. It's only 3m people at best. Out of what, billions of adult females on Earth. Moreover, most guys who purchase stuff do it for fun, or to connect with a porn star or celeb they really like. Few men who buy vids think they're their actual gfs, as some purported. Nor are addicted to it.  I have bought OF vids, but mainly from existing porn stars I like or people online on X with established profiles. It's all fun. I haven't got anything off there for a while and I doubt I will. I've never thought said peple are actually my gfs, which is silly. They're there selling a product. They happn to be good-looking or otherwise desirable and are taking advantage of such. so be it. 

 

Porn is fine imho at least if it's done responsibly. Like booze or gambling. It's mainly conservative moralists and those looking to grift or push agendas online who are decrying the "evils" of OF. 

 

If one did a vox pop or even an anonymous survey of 18-25-year-old young women in a city or university, I doubt even 5% would be sex workers of some kind. To say then it's grossly "warping" the youth is again overblown. People like Lilly Phillips, Bonnie Blue, Elle Brooke, etc. are exceptions at the very most. They're just people who, due to their looks, took advantage of an opportunity and profited from it. they do not represent the majority of young British women let alone the wider masses globally. There are guys on OF too, and again they do not represent most young men. 

I suspect OF or similar self-curated porn sites will morph into something else or persist and the furore and buzz will dissipipate over time. And it was mostly created by online conservative hacks and content creators looking to decry the modern "woke" society. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Shermaningeorgia

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Shermaningeorgia said:

do it for fun

Don't kid yourself. Most guys on there are deluded simps who get scammed for tons of money.

You don't earn $50M in one year "just having fun". These poor lonely men are being scammed. These girls aren't just whoring, they're scamming.

It's worse than porn. Porn is cheap and zero-investment of the guy's emotions. No one is getting scammed with good ol porn.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Shermaningeorgia]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

18 year old make $50 million on OF:

 

This is worse than heroin.

 

It's fine to say that it could potentially warp the youth. But she is an exception. And it's not as if millions of people out there are doing the same. 

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

18 year old make $50 million on OF:

This is worse than heroin.

@Leo Gura Very biased statement 😅
Neither is ideal, definitely, but I don’t see a good argument for how it’s “worse.”

If you want to say quick money cash schemes are bad, then you have to bite the bullet and say that crypto, NFT, shitcoins, porn recruitment agencies management, gambling, dropshipping, etc., are also equally worse than heroin.

We’re pretending here that any attractive girl who does OnlyFans makes this amount of cash. If you make that amount of money, you either have some crazy marketing team behind you, or you’re quiet intuitive about what goes viral, or you got lucky. But this isn’t any different from a typical influencer. Plenty of typical influencers also promote shady, scammy, or sketchy things to children and adults as well. I agree this is very bad, but I don’t understand the particular isolation of OnlyFans.

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While top creators (0.1%) make over $146,000 monthly, the majority of income is heavily skewed, as 95.8% of users pay nothing, with average earnings per subscriber at just $2.06 on OnlyFans.

These stats are pretty similar for most online marketing, the digital space, and influencers. The top % makes a lot, the bottom almost to nothing. Very typical.

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About 20%–30% of people who try heroin develop a long-term dependence (addiction). Among people who use regularly, most continue using without treatment because heroin is highly addictive. ~20%–30% of heroin users will experience a non-fatal overdose at some point in their lives. ~15%–30% of people with opioid addiction die prematurely due to overdose (main cause), disease (HIV, infections), suicide, and accidents. And those numbers only cover deaths. They don’t capture how many people develop severe addiction and end up losing stability in the rest of their lives. With heroin and other opioids, a significant share of users develop dependence, and among those with addiction, long-term outcomes are often very serious.

Again, I agree that both are bad, but these comparisons really aren’t fair.

Edited 7 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Leo Gura]

@Xonas Pitfall You want your daughter showing her pussy to the world for a small chance of riches?

Don't forget that most girls won't earn much, yet their reputations will be ruined forever.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura