How Do You Relate to Reality, Self, World?

[gettoefl]

5 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Be serious. Do you really want to interact or just say random things?

If you came to a thread to just spread vague words when I tell you to be specific, you are not serious about your communication and interaction. 

 

What I said was, everything is a choice. Default is fear. Everyone is walking around feeling uneasy. But you can change that. You can choose love. And what's amazing is, you will see only love. First just glimpses. Then it gets more stable. Takes massive intentionality and much practice.

[CARDOZZO]

49 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

What I said was, everything is a choice. Default is fear. Everyone is walking around feeling uneasy. But you can change that. You can choose love. And what's amazing is, you will see only love. First just glimpses. Then it gets more stable. Takes massive intentionality and much practice.

Ok.

This is not specific enough but thanks for your insight.

[Joseph Maynor]

Like a regular person but I tend to go into life coach mode when I see people suffering.  Usually this comes off well.  I almost never talk about spirituality with people in real life.  I like to laugh with people and enjoy their company.  I like to work on my self-help goals.  I have no need to try to be seen a certain way in real life.  My goal is to enjoy the company of others but also not interfere too much with people's time who are trying to work.

[CARDOZZO]

47 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Like a regular person but I tend to go into life coach mode when I see people suffering.  Usually this comes off well.  I almost never talk about spirituality with people in real life.  I like to laugh with people and enjoy their company.  I like to work on my self-help goals.  I have no need to try to be seen a certain way in real life.  My goal is to enjoy the company of others but also not interfere too much with people's time who are trying to work.

Interesting.

What do you think about the gap between what you read on spiritual books and your subjective experience as a human? How do we close this gap? Do you tend to compare yourself? Do you feel like you do not embody your spiritual insights? (Truth, Life is a Dream, Life is Imaginary, infinite Intelligence)

I feel like I have an arsenal of knowledge/spiritual insights but I live like a regular human who does not know anything about it (and that is wrong somehow).

 

Edited 8 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[Joseph Maynor]

5 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Interesting.

What do you think about the gap between what you read on spiritual books and your subjective experience as a human? How do we close this gap? Do you tend to compare yourself? Do you feel like you do not embody your spiritual insights? (Truth, Life is a Dream, Life is Imaginary, infinite Intelligence)

I feel like I have an arsenal of knowledge/spiritual insights but I live like a regular human who does not know anything about it (and that is wrong somehow).

A lot of my work has been closing that gap and being ok with being a human.  It's like I went really hard in the spiritual direction and then came back to being a normal human.  And most spiritual people disagree with me about this I find.  But inside I still have all the fruits of my spiritual work that factor in.  So nothing has been lost.  

[LastThursday]

@CARDOZZO it's an interesting question for sure. 

Living day to day is totally ordinary. I think and behave as if I'm in a physical material world, and I treat and respect others as I would like to be treated myself: respectfully, as a sovereign, intelligent person. I will never know what it is to be someone else inside their body and mind, it's probably quite alien, but from the outside there are a lot of similarities.

I generally yield as much of myself as people are able to bear, I know that I can be a lot more open and openminded than a lot of people I come across, and sometimes they're surprised at this when they bother to ask. I often feel like an iceberg with only the tip showing, underneath is a churning sea of ideas, knowledge and creativity, even spirituality. I often have "wtf is this?" moments, and have a clear intuition about things, which I will talk about if people are interested.

I think spirituality has affected me deeply, I'm very "Zen" and "Existential" in my approach to life and people and to myself. It's mostly as a counterbalance to my ADHD mind, and I think that's why spirituality attracted me in the first place. Cool enigmatic on the outside, frothy on the inside. People often comment about how calm I am. If only they knew!

[Willy Phallicus]

3 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Do you see reality as a physical thing?

I experience it as a physical thing but I know its something else entirely.

3 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Do you see other people as separate?

I experience them as separate but ultimately, no.

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Is it really fantastical, different, mystical 24/7?

Unfortunately, no.

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

How do you embody your spiritual insights?

Still working on this one but I try to follow The Golden Rule and choose my reactions to the external rather than reacting from my conditioning.

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

How do you live life as a Sage?

I don't.

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

How do you experience yourself?

Mostly human, sometimes God.

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

How do you imagine reality?

The dream of a bored and lonely god.

[CARDOZZO]

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

A lot of my work has been closing that gap and being ok with being a human.  It's like I went really hard in the spiritual direction and then came back to being a normal human.  And most spiritual people disagree with me about this I find.  But inside I still have all the fruits of my spiritual work that factor in.  So nothing has been lost.  

Got it.

You just want to be a normal human being.

[CARDOZZO]

2 hours ago, LastThursday said:

@CARDOZZO it's an interesting question for sure. 

Living day to day is totally ordinary. I think and behave as if I'm in a physical material world, and I treat and respect others as I would like to be treated myself: respectfully, as a sovereign, intelligent person. I will never know what it is to be someone else inside their body and mind, it's probably quite alien, but from the outside there are a lot of similarities.

I generally yield as much of myself as people are able to bear, I know that I can be a lot more open and openminded than a lot of people I come across, and sometimes they're surprised at this when they bother to ask. I often feel like an iceberg with only the tip showing, underneath is a churning sea of ideas, knowledge and creativity, even spirituality. I often have "wtf is this?" moments, and have a clear intuition about things, which I will talk about if people are interested.

I think spirituality has affected me deeply, I'm very "Zen" and "Existential" in my approach to life and people and to myself. It's mostly as a counterbalance to my ADHD mind, and I think that's why spirituality attracted me in the first place. Cool enigmatic on the outside, frothy on the inside. People often comment about how calm I am. If only they knew!

Interesting.

What do you think about developing radical perceptive experience skills? 

I will contemplate what is possible and what is fantasy. There is a lot of BS running around spiritual circles.

[CARDOZZO]

2 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

I experience it as a physical thing but I know its something else entirely.

I experience them as separate but ultimately, no.

Unfortunately, no.

Still working on this one but I try to follow The Golden Rule and choose my reactions to the external rather than reacting from my conditioning.

I don't.

Mostly human, sometimes God.

The dream of a bored and lonely god.

Do you think is possible to experience reality as a imaginary dream 24/7?

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

Do you think is possible to experience reality as a imaginary dream 24/7?

As long as the dreamer is dreaming the human and its world I'd say that's already the case.

 

[CARDOZZO]

35 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

As long as the dreamer is dreaming the human and its world I'd say that's already the case.

 

It is the case.

The thing is: you are not conscious of a direct experience taking place as a dream. You are living like a human in a physical universe made by atoms rather than imagination. 

Edited 5 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

you are not conscious of a direct experience taking place as a dream.

In my individual case a better way of putting it would be I don't act like I am conscious of it despite being aware of it.  I'm here so I might as well enjoy the dream but I don't take it as seriously as I once did - I stopped taking everything personally.  One foot on the ground one stepping towards the clouds if you will.  I just try to stay present and trust the process - neither awake or asleep - in the world but not of it.

 

20 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

You are living like a human in a physical universe made by atoms rather than imagination. 

Yeah but Im imagining that.  Turns out God really can do anything - like convince us this shit is real - complete with "others".

Holy shit God is omnipotent, who woulda guessed.  Not too many earthlings, that's for sure.  Never give God enough credit lol.  No wonder all their gods are assholes who complain about humans all the time.

[CARDOZZO]

1 hour ago, Willy Phallicus said:

In my individual case a better way of putting it would be I don't act like I am conscious of it despite being aware of it.  I'm here so I might as well enjoy the dream but I don't take it as seriously as I once did - I stopped taking everything personally.  One foot on the ground one stepping towards the clouds if you will.  I just try to stay present and trust the process - neither awake or asleep - in the world but not of it.

 

Yeah but Im imagining that.  Turns out God really can do anything - like convince us this shit is real - complete with "others".

Holy shit God is omnipotent, who woulda guessed.  Not too many earthlings, that's for sure.  Never give God enough credit lol.  No wonder all their gods are assholes who complain about humans all the time.

What I am trying to communicate is about radical perceptive experiences. 

Is it possible to have a radical perceptive experience (alien?) beyond human paradigms and still being a body? 

[cetus]

Sure, one can have moments of clarity and oneness. But can you live like that even when the going gets tough?

[Dodo]

7 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

After going deep on spirituality and self-actualization, how do you relate to people, reality, mind, society?

What is your baseline consciousness? What it looks like to be you as a normal human being? 

I am curious because baseline consciousness is where you really see if your development is happening.

Do you see reality as a physical thing? Do you see other people as separate?

 

I am walking in crutches and orthopedic boots after a fall last year, still recovering. 

I hadn't left the house other than going to the dentist and straight back for a few months now.

Yesterday I went to the park. My phone bill is not paid so I was offline. I was able to fully be present and no excuse to shove a screen in my face. The thought "I am" came naturally, not the usual question "What am I" but the answer "I am". 

Everyone i saw also was "I am". All of nature too was fully "I am". Nature is trully non-judgemental while some humans not so much, because they weren't really focused on "I am" they were focused on the interpretations of their minds instead. 

Its not about having a mystical experience all the time, but about seeing the mystery in the ordinary. 

I am also interested in questions about how to relate to others. I am good at being alone, but when other people start appearing, with their heavy egoic presence, and situations appear, almost like testing me, it can pull me into unconsciousness and i find myself distracted from the simplicity of "I am".

Not that its hard to get back 😆 but they really try to sting you sometimes,  to make you remember, to live in your mind.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Dodo

[CARDOZZO]

38 minutes ago, cetus said:

Sure, one can have moments of clarity and oneness. But can you live like that even when the going gets tough?

I don't think so.

Mind is a very maleable entity. No matter how enlightened you are, you have to train your mind to experience reality in radical ways.

[cetus]

5 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Its not about having a mystical experience all the time, but about seeing the mystery in the ordinary. 

Kudos to seeing the mystical experience within the ordinary.

[cetus]

20 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I don't think so.

Mind is a very maleable entity. No matter how enlightened you are, you have to train your mind to experience reality in radical ways.

The mind is mostly landscape orientated. Plus, deep seated emotional triggers from past experiences can often invade the experience of the now moment. One sight. One smell. One word. One thought even is all it takes.

When you talk about "training your mind" what you are really talking about is learning to control your Default Mode Network. 

Edited 2 hours ago by cetus

[LastThursday]

2 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

What do you think about developing radical perceptive experience skills? 

It sounds potentially exciting. What would that entail from your point of view?