Is porn actually harmless, or are we just pretending?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, Willy Phallicus said:

Anything can become an addiction or obsession.  My analogy works because if porn spirals into an addiction then you're using that fire destructively.

 

However - people do not have a biological driving force to 'fire'.

We aren't just talking about the 'thing' here, which would be porn, but also the factors within human biology and dopamine systems that also come into play. Last I checked people have a need to fuck. There's not the same driver for 'fire'. You cannot lacerate off the most important part of the discussion to force this analogy fit.

Essentially porn is a supernormal stimulus - something that engages with an existing drive directly and amplifies it beyond what it evolved for.

[lostingenosmaze]

 

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

However - people do not have a biological driving force to 'fire'.

We aren't just talking about the 'thing' here, which would be porn, but also the factors within human biology and dopamine systems that also come into play. Last I checked people have a need to fuck. There's not the same driver for 'fire'. You cannot lacerate off the most important part of the discussion to force this analogy fit.

Essentially porn is a supernormal stimulus - something that engages with an existing drive directly and amplifies it beyond what it evolved for.

Well said. This gave me an analogy.

Having sex is like lighting a fire to complete your evening duties, cooking, lighting, and keep you warm throughout the evening. Watching porn is like lighting up a candle and expecting it to provide the wide array of things the a real fire can provide. 

[Carl-Richard]

59 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Well said. This gave me an analogy.

Having sex is like lighting a fire to complete your evening duties, cooking, lighting, and keep you warm throughout the evening. Watching porn is like lighting up a candle and expecting it to provide the wide array of things the a real fire can provide. 

I thought you would mention a flamethrower but ok.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

6 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I thought you would mention a flamethrower but ok.

The spigot of the fully charged up male of the human species?

[Ramasta9]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I thought you would mention a flamethrower but ok.

I guess  Its just what came up.

[bazera]

I think that junk food is a perfect analogy because it's obvious that over-consumption causes issues.

But notice that some people eat junk food and don't experience negative side-effects because of it. Maybe it's genetics thing? Trump comes to mind as he famously eats McDonalds daily. Maybe porn works like that too I have no idea.

Also notice that over time you get desensitized to a normal food, requiring more sugary, salty and exciting processed junk to satisfy the tongue and taste receptors.

And when you ditch junk food and return to healthy eating habits, senses are being reset and you are back to normal in couple weeks. If you are lucky you can even reverse your bad health with it.

The compulsivity and lack of self-control is a problem here, not porn itself. But porn is designed in such a way and tickles a part of the reptilian brain (so to speak) in such a way that it's very easy to lose yourself in the rabbit hole of it, especially when you are a teenage boy having nothing better to do. 

[Ramasta9]

2 hours ago, bazera said:

I think that junk food is a perfect analogy because it's obvious that over-consumption causes issues.

But notice that some people eat junk food and don't experience negative side-effects because of it. Maybe it's genetics thing? Trump comes to mind as he famously eats McDonalds daily. Maybe porn works like that too I have no idea.

Also notice that over time you get desensitized to a normal food, requiring more sugary, salty and exciting processed junk to satisfy the tongue and taste receptors.

And when you ditch junk food and return to healthy eating habits, senses are being reset and you are back to normal in couple weeks. If you are lucky you can even reverse your bad health with it.

The compulsivity and lack of self-control is a problem here, not porn itself. But porn is designed in such a way and tickles a part of the reptilian brain (so to speak) in such a way that it's very easy to lose yourself in the rabbit hole of it, especially when you are a teenage boy having nothing better to do. 

Oh they do, the thing is modern human behaviour has become so normalized that what is actually sick humans walking around has become normalized so they think / appear they are normal, when in fact, they are very sick, physically, mentally, psychologically.

This is why when you stop the junk food, after a period of withdrawal and detoxification, behaviour, thought patterns, moods, how you feel and perceive life, changes dramatically in a positive manner, you realize you were an addict on drugs, because these are not actual foods but drugs, mostly chemicals and waste products and maybe 1 - 5% real food.

Most people who eat such things are half-dead zombies / bio-robots, a by-product of such science experiments like junk and fast foods behave in our bodies. My first time stopping McDonalds was 6 months, then i ate a burger once, and i could not get out of bed for 24 hours felt like death. Since then I haven't touched any of that stuff maybe 15 years now. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Ramasta9

[LordFall]

What are the negative side effects you guys feel after watching porn? I feel like a lot of it is placebo.

Sometimes I feel lower energy afterward and less motivation but not other times. And most times that lower energy lasts like 10 mins then I'm good to go. 

Also helps reduce my anxiety throughout the workday. 

Edited 4 hours ago by LordFall

[bazera]

28 minutes ago, LordFall said:

What are the negative side effects you guys feel after watching porn? I feel like a lot of it is placebo.

Sometimes I feel lower energy afterward and less motivation but not other times. And most times that lower energy lasts like 10 mins then I'm good to go. 

Also helps reduce my anxiety throughout the workday. 

Depends on frequency. None, if I do very rarely like once every other week. But if I do it daily, it mostly affects my sexual performance very negatively, also I get desensitized to a real life scenarios which makes intimacy with a real human very hard. 

That's mostly it.

[bazera]

2 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

My first time stopping McDonalds was 6 months, then i ate a burger once, and i could not get out of bed for 24 hours felt like death. Since then I haven't touched any of that stuff maybe 15 years now. 

I experienced same thing with KFC wings and burger. Once I had to stop all junk food for couple months due to medical issue and once it got resolved, I thought I'd eat some KFC and ordered it. I literally vomitted everything, my body just rejected that shit.

But interestingly, after days and weeks of eating and getting used to junk again, it got normilized and I wasn't feeling negative effects much, till I ditched it again for some time.

Edited 3 hours ago by bazera

[Ramasta9]

8 minutes ago, bazera said:

I experienced same thing with KFC wings and burger. Once I had to stop all junk food for couple months due to medical issue and once it got resolved, I thought I'd eat some KFC and ordered it. I literally vomitted everything, my body just rejected that shit.

But interestingly, after days and weeks of eating and getting used to junk again, it got normilized and I wasn't feeling negative effects much, till I ditched it again for some time.

Yes, its how many natives adapt to poisons from toads, snakes, toxic plants for medicinal use ect... taking a little bit more and more the immune system adapts so it doesn't kill you even when you take larger amounts but if someone was to randomly have a large amount after never eating it or not eating in a long time such poisons can very easily kill you and many people have died from fasting and breaking the fast with such foods because they are at the very far end of the "natural food" for our bodies (spectrum).

 

[Mayonnaise]

Porn hijacks your dopamine. I believe it has caused a ripple effect in society which is easily noticed on social media. you have women showing off their bodies all over IG. why? validation from men. Attention. Women dress sluttier than ever, (not that i'm complaining), and men are more sexless than ever. Porn makes you comfortable with not having sex because you lose your drive to socialize with women. But I can't speak for every person. and porn is gratified with tons of attention online around pornstars and shock value. like lily phillips and bonnie blue , lena plug etc. and now with onlyfans its no longer production companies, it's amateur "film what you want and sell it, or put it online"... so many people say porn is unrealistic, however most porn on the internet is just any person/people filming themselves, not actual career production pornstars or sex workers. Onlyfans/fetish content has taken over more than production companies at this point. But both forms are relevant and own the space. Porn makes you compare yourself to other people = not good for mental health. 

Porn is all over twitter too. so its already embedded in the fabric of online media in general. On IG, you'll have girls linking their OF pages that anyone can access. It's never going to go away at this point. and its all over reddit as i'm sure everyone is aware.

I'm not a conspiracy nut or anything and well aware of those traps, but if people/companies running society and the social matrix want men to be "subdued" , then porn will be more and more accessible because it makes them lose drive to gain improvement in their own lives. Jacking off and depleting yourself daily and numbing yourself with dopamine will make you comfortable with doing nothing and delay progressing. But you won't improve your life that way. So that is an issue. You have to delay gratification to bear the fruit of your work and upgrade skills/create. Porn can fuck that up sideways.

People resort to porn as an outlet for loneliness/isolation/fear of rejection/boredom. It is a drug. digital heroin. But its also a feedback loop. the more you watch the more you want to isolate. the more you isolate the more you watch. The less you are inclined to do things that are emotionally difficult to grow and expand. 

But most of the issue is centered around men though. Men are more visual, pay for it, validate all the girls in the comment section, and women in that line of work are just doing whats easiest for their survival. Thats not to say women dont have problems with it too, they can as well. But its predominately catered to men.  Women are typically less visual and get their fix in books like 50 shades of grey. But there are many women who watch and dildo themselves to porn too. Women can become addicted to porn too.

In the grand scheme of things theres nothing "inherently wrong" with porn. But it will affect individuals differently. Porn addiction will fuck up many aspects of your life centered around socializing and getting sex, and improving your life. It's never a problem until it becomes a problem in your life. 

It's better to get laid even though it will release less dopamine and you have to socialize dumb bullshit, build relationships (unless you just pay an escort to avoid dating) but if you must use porn, do it sparingly. It really only becomes a problem if you can't go more than a week or 2 without it. Un-natural quantities of dopamine being released at the click of a button is naturally addictive. Our modern day brains are not wired to see 1000 tits at the click of a button. and by switching to a new video or photo or having 100 tabs open, keeps the dopamine upregulated. Thats why there's a crash afterwards. and that is why at times you can feel pathetic because you jerked off to pixels. 

There are many different forms of porn. Porn doesn't just mean a video of people fucking. it can be auditorial to poke and prod at certain fetishes. 

I also think it can increase the Madonna/whore complex where men become more sexually attracted to women that are sluts versus a more conservative woman. Maybe its because women who show off their boobs or dress slutty hijack that part of a mans brain.

I also think a large part of the redpill and blackpill space has been growing due to porn, dating apps, social media, onlyfans. Red/black pill is essentially men frustrated with women because they can't get laid. So they look for rationalizations as to why modern women are "bad". But the majority of those guys are pissed off at women because they are envious of them. Porn takes power over mens desires, manipulates it and fetishizes it and makes men feel that hot women are out of their league (because they are jerking off, not having sex, so its a form of cuck/ voyeurism) its like being the beta chimp in the corner watching the alpha of the clan bang the girl you want and you are on the sidelines. But thats typically hardcore porn, not a photo of a naked woman. And the longer you stay in the feedback loop, the more hardcore stuff you will start watching to release the dopamine. Men in the pill space are envious that women have unlimited options and they don't (or at least believe they don't)

But even a getting off to a photo of a woman is already a form of pedestalization, because by you sitting there, dick in hand, looking at a photo and getting off to it, you give power to it to hijack your brain in the first place. There's no connection or shared experience. By getting off to it, you are unconsciously reinforcing the fact you are below her, even if its not true at all. 

I can't really blame women who do onlyfans though. If a woman is born extremely attractive with a perfect body and every guy theyve ever talked to can't think of anything else but sex, then they will take advantage of that to make a living and make survival easy. Same thing with playboy models, swimsuit models etc. and "IG models" its all the same shit. Though it does get on my nerves when a girl doing onlyfans makes 100 million dollars doing nothing but showing their tits. But its the men that get on my nerves to pay them for that in the first place. 

But what about guys who are completely taken out of the dating pool? disabled men , obese men , extremely hideous men, etc. They wont end up banging a 10 unless they pay for it so it makes the most sense for them. I understand that. But for most, its just a drug.