This Forum Doesn’t Need Moderators

[Monster Energy]

Honestly, I think this website would be better without moderators. People should be able to express themselves however they want, even if that includes personal attacks. We’re here because we follow Leo Gura, and supposedly that means we’re working toward higher consciousness than the average person. If that’s true, then we should also have enough awareness to understand that letting people say what they really think isn’t a problem. The higher the consciousness, the more understanding there should be that it’s not wrong to speak your mind. Let it out, deal with it, and grow from it. Because the whole idea of moderators and rigid rules honestly feels like a low-consciousness way of handling things.

 

 

[vibv]

Try running your own forum without moderation...

Also, wrong section. Which disproves your own point, because it would be chaos if everyone just posted what & where they felt like it.

Without structure there's no harmony, but chaos. Anarchy isn't the solution.

If we didn't need moderators they would have nothing to do, which isn't the case. QED

[Leo Gura]

Mods are crucial. Can't run a forum by myself.

[Someone here]

Kinda Osho's Ashram style?  Where we are allowed to dance scream cry and fuck ?

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Kinda Osho's Ashram style?  Where we are allowed to dance scream cry and fuck ?

We know how that turned out..

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, vibv said:

We know how that turned out..

It's called dynamic meditation. 

 

[vibv]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It's called dynamic meditation. 

 

I know.

I was referring to this. People have been raped and traumatised in those "encounters".

Not to speak of the fascist-like regime the ranch in Oregon turned into.

You need to have some structure, else the worst in people comes out. There's a paper thin layer between our society and complete barbarism.

We need to learn from our mistakes. I don't say we should stop trying, but that wasn't it, quite obviously.

That's what real science is. Those ashrams were a failed social experiment. So don't let it be for nothing.

Edited 7 hours ago by vibv

[Monster Energy]

41 minutes ago, vibv said:

Try running your own forum without moderation...

Also, wrong section. Which disproves your own point, because it would be chaos if everyone just posted what & where they felt like it.

Without structure there's no harmony, but chaos. Anarchy isn't the solution.

If we didn't need moderators they would have nothing to do, which isn't the case. QED

Harmony doesn’t have to exist. That’s just your ego preferring comfort. Existence itself doesn’t care about harmony. If awareness is going to grow, structures have to break at some point, whether your ego likes it or not.

 

[Monster Energy]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Mods are crucial. Can't run a forum by myself.

I understand that moderation helps keep the site functioning. My point was more philosophical. If the goal of this forum is higher consciousness and radical self-honesty, then too much moderation can also limit authentic expression. Sometimes growth comes from friction and uncomfortable conversations, not just order.

 

[Monster Energy]

34 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Kinda Osho's Ashram style?  Where we are allowed to dance scream cry and fuck ?

Yes 

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Monster Energy said:

Harmony doesn’t have to exist. That’s just your ego preferring comfort. Existence itself doesn’t care about harmony. If awareness is going to grow, structures have to break at some point, whether your ego likes it or not.

 

If you wanna go back to the middle ages, have at it. But don't take civilization for granted.

The reality is that it wouldn't evolve to your highest ideas, but devolve into chaos & madness very rapidly.

It's ego who wants to have its way. We see what that turns into when we look at what's happening in the US right now.

What you're asking for is anarchy, which wouldn't solve any problems. That's devolution instead of evolution. Only structure allows evolution to be happening in the first place. We can build better societies with more freedom as our consciousness advances, but your approach of just removing all rules & order is naive & unsustainable. You'd find that out very quickly if you tried it for yourself to see where that leads.

To maximize freedom there has to be some kind of order.

I agree that we need some way to express our inherent violence to look at it, become conscious of it & transcend it. But that has to be done in a controlled manner. Make it your life purpose to create such a context! But don't be naive about it. You have no idea the amount of violence there is in people that's just below the surface. You wouldn't want to just unleash that. It would result in brutality, rape, war, murder & pretty much all-out pandemonium. You have no idea what you're asking for here.

Edited 6 hours ago by vibv

[Ramasta9]

It does for now, but it can evolve, i simply don't see it. Maybe die out in 5 - 10 years unless things evolve / change, especially Leo.

[Elliott]

I always laugh when I get in trouble for cursing, a word, certain words, they're magically worse than others.

Edited 6 hours ago by Elliott

[vibv]

Without structure you wouldn't even be able to have a body to type those words.

[Monster Energy]

30 minutes ago, vibv said:

If you wanna go back to the middle ages, have at it. But don't take civilization for granted.

The reality is that it wouldn't evolve to your highest ideas, but devolve into chaos & madness very rapidly.

It's ego who wants to have its way. We see what that turns into when we look at what's happening in the US right now.

What you're asking for is anarchy, which wouldn't solve any problems. That's devolution instead of evolution. Only structure allows evolution to be happening in the first place. We can build better societies with more freedom as our consciousness advances, but your approach of just removing all rules & order is naive & unsustainable. You'd find that out very quickly if you tried it for yourself to see where that leads.

To maximize freedom there has to be some kind of order.

I agree that we need some way to express our inherent violence to look at it, become conscious of it & transcend it. But that has to be done in a controlled manner. Make it your life purpose to create such a context! But don't be naive about it. You have no idea the amount of violence there is in people that's just below the surface. You wouldn't want to just unleash that. It would result in brutality, rape, war, murder & pretty much all-out pandemonium. You have no idea what you're asking for here.

Sure, structure can prevent chaos. But the moment you use fear of chaos to justify more and more control, you also risk killing the openness that allows real discussion and growth. The question isn’t “order or chaos”. The real question is how much control a community needs before it stops being a place for honest expression.

 

[Monster Energy]

25 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

It does for now, but it can evolve, i simply don't see it. Maybe die out in 5 - 10 years unless things evolve / change, especially Leo.

I don’t see it either, but it would be nice.

 

[Monster Energy]

15 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I always laugh when I get in trouble for cursing, a word, certain words, they're magically worse than others.

Yeah, it’s funny how a few sounds coming out of your mouth suddenly become a moral emergency. Meanwhile people lie, manipulate, and act like saints about it.

 

[vibv]

4 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

Sure, structure can prevent chaos. But the moment you use fear of chaos to justify more and more control, you also risk killing the openness that allows real discussion and growth. The question isn’t “order or chaos”. The real question is how much control a community needs before it stops being a place for honest expression.

 

It's about balance, yeah.

I think this forum is very free in regards to what you can say.

Have you had a different experience that made you create this topic?

Edited 5 hours ago by vibv

[r0ckyreed]

@Monster Energy This is for you.

 

[Monster Energy]

1 minute ago, vibv said:

It's about balance, yeah.

I think this forum is very free in regards to what you can say.

Have you had a different experience that made you create this topic?

Many people on this forum have seen moderators abuse their role. And when you understand psychology on a deeper level, it doesn’t really make sense to have moderators enforcing so many rules about how people are allowed to express themselves. There isn’t much good logic in that if the goal is to increase awareness. But if the goal is to increase control and a sense of safety, then these rules make more sense.