Depersonalization/Derealization anxiety episode after emptiness insight.

[Judy2]

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Judy2 its existential because its the truth. Whats being existential? 

Dissasosiation dosent even make sense from a western perspective.

there is a functional, relative distinction between Truth-realisation and the clinical phenomena of dissociation, depersonalisation, and derealisation.

the average person experiencing dissociation on a regular is steeped in trauma-driven thinking, needs to have their skin stitched up every other week, ruminates over their abusive ex-boyfriend and may occasionally experience significant gaps in memory or collapse in spasms on the ground.

i'm exaggerating a bit for the sake of pointing out that these are different phenomena, and it doesn't mean a person more prone to dissociation necessarily "has the Truth" - quite the opposite. they are the Truth, yes, like everybody else, but dissociation in the clinical sense is not as clean-cut as a proper spiritual ego death the way you may think. there's much more nuance and variety in how precisely the ego breaks down/detaches. i would even argue there's still a very strong core of ego present with (clinical) dissociation, because it's a very crisis and survival-driven stress response.

the two are definitely related, but also somewhat distinct. or maybe not.

Edited 4 hours ago by Judy2

[Hojo]

@Judy2Yea but what is dissociating? What physical thing is dissociating?

Science makes up different words for qualitative experiences they deny exists.

The terms cant be taken literally for their clinical western scientific analysis.

The ruminatations come but you knowing you are neither the talker or non talker in your head they get less and less.

Disassociation is a term of someone struggling to understand God.

When you know God you are dissociated from the thoughts of the mind.

When that happens what are you?

What dissociation is happening and to who?

These are all random thought patterns.

When you know what dissociation is you are de identifying with thought seperating yourself, then merging back as you are not that. 

So if you have ever identified yourself as the voice in your head in any means even while thinking, you need to dissociate from that. Doing this repeatedly will enter samadhi. You will walk slower, you will talk less, you will often get sucked back into thought  in the beggining and since you are so focused forget what you are doing but you will bring it back to awareness. Eventually after time you have completely become the observer of thought and are in dream mode.

Edited 1 hour ago by Hojo