Ralston's New Book - Whereof One Cannot Speak

[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The entire line of argument is stupid, biased, misleading, and false.

DMT can produce more than enlightenment within 30 seconds. Not a single Ralston student will ever reach that level of consciousness in their lives.

Wrong. That ain't enlightenment or awakening. See what I mean? You somehow keep missing this.

Oh well, c'est la vie. Blind leading the blind.

@CARDOZZO Sounds about right. I wouldn't get hung up on "roads" either.

[CARDOZZO]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The entire line of argument is stupid, biased, misleading, and false.

DMT can produce more than enlightenment within 30 seconds. Not a single Ralston student will ever reach that level of consciousness in their lives.

That's what he said 

I can't really talk about DMT/Psychedelics because I will never try them but I'm open to the possibility of this being true.

43 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@CARDOZZO Sounds about right. I wouldn't get hung up on "roads" either.

It was just a way to communicate. Insert: (Practices, Doors, Ways, Teachings, Methods, Forms)

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[MutedMiles]

18 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I can't really talk about DMT/Psychedelics because I will never try them but I'm open to the possibility of this being true.

Makes sense! Leo could be right or wrong, same goes for Ralston. One can't just believe them. It depends on what you are willing try for yourself. 
 

Edited 3 hours ago by MutedMiles

[CARDOZZO]

46 minutes ago, MutedMiles said:

Makes sense! Leo could be right or wrong, same goes for Ralston. One can't just believe them. It depends on what you are willing try for yourself. 
 

In the end you have to experiment/contemplate/decide for yourself, you are the only authority of your own experience/consciousness.

Edited 3 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[AerisVahnEphelia]

58 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Wrong. That ain't enlightenment or awakening. See what I mean? You somehow keep missing this.

Oh well, c'est la vie. Blind leading the blind.

@CARDOZZO Sounds about right. I wouldn't get hung up on "roads" either.

You’ll never fully enlightened without psychedelics. ( you can definitely get far without it )

but certain insights can only happen in a trance maniac state.

Time and time again, I try to believe it’s possible, but it’s not.

And if it were, it would be through mania, psychedelics, ultra-hardcore meditation, or existential panic that releases intense neurochemistry for a while. Most of those happen extremely rarely (like Eckhart Tolle) and are about as reproducible as winning the lottery, so they’re largely not something a serious person should look into.

Even Ralston is fooling himself. He used them and did a lot of drugs, yet still wants to believe his shift in consciousness wasn’t caused by them. It might or might not be, but I still think it was. Of course, the difference with Leo is that he lacks his level of integrity and prefers making more money. I’m not saying what he teaches is a scam, but him even associating with Tony Robbins tells me all I need to know about him. All his workshops are completely useless, kindergarten-level material.

Enlightenment might not even happen while taking psychedelics, but psychedelics can reshape your consciousness and framing long term, even when you’re “sober” afterward.

No one wants you to take psychedelics, usually because they give you extreme sovereignty. Everyone loses their power over you. No one can take Ralston as a “superior teacher” after LSD or DMT.

Edited 2 hours ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[bazera]

23 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

All his workshops are completely useless, kindergarten-level material.

Have you attended them?

[CARDOZZO]

I think these wars on "Sober Awakening x Psychedelics Awakening" is pure dick measure. 

Who is more awake than who? Which method is more effective? Are you awake? 

How would you know? You can't know.

Even defending teachers, teachings and practices is unconscious behavior. 

In the end is YOU being conscious or not.

Edited 2 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[OBEler]

41 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I think these wars on "Sober Awakening x Psychedelics Awakening" is pure dick measure. 

Who is more awake than who? Which method is more effective? Are you awake? 

How would you know? You can't know.

Even defending teachers, teachings and practices is unconscious behavior. 

In the end is YOU being conscious or not.

You can know if you take a close look how deep the teachers teach. 

[CARDOZZO]

50 minutes ago, OBEler said:

You can know if you take a close look how deep the teachers teach. 

The thing is: it doesn't matter.

You can't experience what I am experiencing.

I can lie, manipulate, distort, gaslight you.

You have to be at the source of your own enlightenments, judgements, perspectives, thoughts.

Ralston, Leo, Spira, Adi Da, McKenna, Wilber - you will never know what it is to be like them or experience their own "Relative Consciousness" directly. 

We're still waiting to a teacher/practice to tell us what is best, right, wrong.

If we are Absolute Consciousness, we can become directly conscious of that beyond any teacher, method or practice.

We are making enlightenment about method, practice, teacher or teachings when it should be about enlightenment itself not how we get "there".

Skin in the game is the only option. 

Edited 1 hour ago by CARDOZZO

[CARDOZZO]

34 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

The thing is: it doesn't matter.

You can't experience what I am experiencing.

I can lie, manipulate, distort, gaslight you.

You have to be at the source of your own enlightenments, judgements, perspectives, thoughts.

Ralston, Leo, Spira, Adi Da, McKenna, Wilber - you will never know what it is to be like them or experience their own "Relative Consciousness" directly. 

We're still waiting to a teacher/practice to tell us what is best, right, wrong.

If we are Absolute Consciousness, we can become directly conscious of that beyond any teacher, method or practice.

We are making enlightenment about the.method, practice, teacher or teachings when it should be about enlightenment itself not how we get "there".

Skin in the game is the only option. 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-sublimation-and-abstraction-of-survival

We are doing this. 

This is one of the most subtle forms of survival. We are discussing what is the best way to be enlightened, how we get there, what is best, worse  or who is the most awake teacher, practices, books.

How sneaky survival is.

[OBEler]

@CARDOZZO why not both. How we get there and what enlightenment is.

Don't make it so complicated. I can't experience what you experience but I can make good decisions on many people's experiences. For example for a restaurant recommendation. You can transfer that directly to enlightenment methods.

Taking 5 Meo vs chanting mantras. Look at what the people experience after..

[AerisVahnEphelia]

1 hour ago, bazera said:

Have you attended them?

I don't need to, I listened everything on his channel though and I learn pretty much nothing at all, might create a bit of a better distinctions once in a while, what else he is going to do, walk on his hands ?
 

His material might be fine for certain people depending where they are.
It's way too overpriced, everything is free for people who have eyes and mind to see, you can get way more enlightened using chatgpt than a workshop, that's just that no one is going to tell you this.

keep asking the ai on how to be enlightened more than ralston and in a week or two you'll probably get more than from his workshop.

For the rest, just take psychedelics.
 

Edited 33 minutes ago by AerisVahnEphelia