The Neurotypical is like a Microwave

[Cred]

11 hours ago, Basman said:

@CredI agree that NTs can produce high quality work if given the right accommodations, which I presume is what you are pushing for in general sense. I'm not so confident in your political conclusions, or any of your conclusions that are of a radical kind, and I think your language risks alienating people. 

(I think you meant ND above is that correct?)

I agree with you and I'm aware of the risk. When I think the truth is true and important, then I speak it. That's what autism is. But this is also what autism is: If you have a truth that I don't know, YOU NEED TO TELL ME I NEED TO KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW.

That's why I have faith that it's going to work out. 

Fun fact: The purpose of the book of not knowing is to balance out this autistic obsession of wanting to know. It helps to induce stability in the space that is spanned by the duality wanting to know,  letting go of wanting to know. What he is trying to describe with "the state of not knowing" is precisely that balance of the duality.

Edited 9 hours ago by Cred

[Hojo]

@BasmanThere are spectrums they are on both sides. Some are retard some are geniuses. So to some the neurotypicals are retard and some to neurotypicals they are retards.

If neurotypicals want to be treated normally then they shouldnt call any neurodivergent retard, or the genius neurodivergents should be able to sheep and heard the neurotypicals because the geniuses shouldnt have to deal with the retarded neurotypicals.

This system shuts down the geniuses because they dont know about insanity and what insanity implies.

The fact that insanity exists should be terrifying to a neurotypical but they are too retarded to understand.

If a neurotypical understood this they would see they were insane but pretending not to be.

Like holding your footing on a rock under a waterfall.

Maybe they would be humbled and not realize its not 'putting' up with retards. its realizing you are one and actually cant be not retarded.

 

If people took time to understand the 'retards' they could make them smart. They arent completely useless.

Their body is like a special tool that isnt being used because the neurotypicals are scared of what it implies and/or dont understand anything.

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[Carl-Richard]

21 hours ago, Cred said:

Expecting a Neurodivergent person to survive on on their own by engaging in bullshit jobs, is like telling a three star chef to turn into a microwave.

What are "bullshit jobs"?

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[Cred]

3 hours ago, Basman said:

I agree that people broadly should be more understanding, but I also think it is worth empathizing with people not knowing or not having the patience to deal with certain degrees of retardation, to put it bluntly. 

you are completely correct. Of course I would not use the word with retardation, but I understand what you mean.

The reason why Neurotypicals hate neurodivergent people It's not just because of ignorance. The reason is much much much deeper.

What do you need to understand is for a Neurotypical person, their identity and their conformity is their existence. So when the neurodivergent person runs around shitting on conformity either directly or through their actions, they are invalidating the existence of the Neurotypicals, which leads to them being alienated of themselves by the suggestion of their own non-existence.

So this hate is existential in nature. This conflict can not be solved. There will always be dissonance between the neutotypical and the neurodivergent for that reason.

What I teach, though is that this dissonance can be used for counteracting the destabilizing effect that pure resonance, which is pure love, which is pure unity, has on the existence space. This process of counteraction through complementary spanning leads to symbiosic space. This is why the neurodivergent people and the Neurotypical people are in reality codependent of the other.

It is also the reason why free love in hippie communes can lead to disaster, because in free love, there is the risk that the overrepresentation of unity among likeminded people causes the collapse of existence space. this is not to hit on hippies, usually people naturally seek this counteraction. This is why the attraction of opposites exists in the first place. Precisely because they repel each other paradoxically. OK, here's an esoteric thought: what if that's the dynamic that is precisely what keeps atoms intact? What if the electron and the proton are secretly in love?

This leads to an interesting distinction between being in love, which is symbiosis and being love, which is unity. That's why you don't want to meet your soulmate, because if you were, you would mistake being love, which is obsession with being in love, which is symbiosis. This is actually what happened to me. This is why the saying that there has to be some amount of conflict and therefore distance in a relationship is true.

With understanding of the dissonance between opposites, it does not have to turn into alienation. This is the basis for my plan to reduce fragmentation in society.

Edited 7 hours ago by Cred

[something_else]

I think that categorising people into neurotypical and neurodivergent is too black and white. Some people do quite cleanly fall into one of these categories, but most people are somewhere in between. It's a spectrum, or a bell curve.

Generally if you want to be a well rounded person you should aim to have elements of both the neurotypical and neurodivergent person.

Being too neurotypical is boring, and being too neurodivergent can make your life a living hell because you overthink everything and get stuck in your head.

IMO the ideal is for the introverted components of your personality to be neurodivergent and the extroverted components of your personality to be neurotypical. If you are very neurotypical you will benefit from developing more depth and introspection, if you are very neurodivergent you will benefit from developing social skills and learning to be more in the moment.

[Basman]

4 hours ago, Cred said:

What do you need to understand is for a Neurotypical person, their identity and their conformity is their existence. So when the neurodivergent person runs around shitting on conformity either directly or through their actions, they are invalidating the existence of the Neurotypicals, which leads to them being alienated of themselves by the suggestion of their own non-existence.

In my experience it's because they can come off as weird and they typically can't follow the subtleties of conversation. That's not necessarily bad thing, but having to meet certain people half way can be uninteresting and/or grating to a lot of people.

You have to appreciate that non-conformity can be scary to people-and off-putting if it comes off as uncontrolled. 

4 hours ago, Cred said:

So this hate is existential in nature. This conflict can not be solved. There will always be dissonance between the neutotypical and the neurodivergent for that reason.

Nonsense. There doesn't exist a better time to be alive to be non-typical. People have never before been more tolerant and aware of neurodivergence and stuff.

4 hours ago, Cred said:

It is also the reason why free love in hippie communes can lead to disaster, because in free love, there is the risk that the overrepresentation of unity among likeminded people causes the collapse of existence space. this is not to hit on hippies, usually people naturally seek this counteraction. This is why the attraction of opposites exists in the first place. Precisely because they repel each other paradoxically. OK, here's an esoteric thought: what if that's the dynamic that is precisely what keeps atoms intact? What if the electron and the proton are secretly in love?

Free love hippies are just trends. It's just partying with a veneer of spirituality. Eventually survival demands something more stable than constant partying.

[Hasson_Miah]

9 hours ago, Cred said:

Bro, you could literally not be more wrong. I'm actually impressed.

I want you to describe to me how you think someone can develop resentment without culture.

Okay I will describe to you how I think someone can develop resentment without culture it will be in the form of a medium-short story so enjoy. 

 

The boy had lived on the island for as long as he could remember. It was small—just black sand, a few twisted trees, and the tall volcano that rose like a giant in the center. Every day he looked at its peak. Every day he told himself he would reach it.

The first time he tried, the ground trembled beneath his feet. He climbed over rough stone and warm ash, hands scraped and knees burning. When he was halfway up, the volcano growled. Lava burst from a crack above him and crawled down the slope like a glowing river. The heat drove him back. He ran all the way to the shore.

The next morning he tried again.

He climbed a different path. Higher this time. The air smelled like smoke and metal. For a moment he believed he might reach the top. Then the mountain shook again. Red light spilled over the ridge. Lava rolled toward him, slow but unstoppable. He backed away, then stumbled down the mountain.

Days passed. The boy kept trying.

Each climb ended the same way—the trembling ground, the rising heat, the lava forcing him down. The volcano did not care about his effort or his bruised hands or the way he stared at its peak every night.

One evening he sat on the beach, watching the mountain glow in the dark. He had never touched the summit. The island always pushed him back.

And still, when the sun rose the next morning, the boy stood up and began to climb again.

 

Theme : repeated powerlessness

 

Why? Resentment does not require culture to originate.