A Disturbing Truth About Spiritual Teachings

[AtmanIsBrahman]

16 hours ago, Cred said:

This idea that every human structure is necessarily corrupt is a false idea spread by the controlled left in order to legitimize capitalism.

Bro... contemplate human nature. It's not as pretty as you believe

 

17 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

what do you consider the most truthful teaching? 

It's like I said, a teaching where the teacher just says the truth as they are directly conscious of without any disclaimers, offering of survival benefits, or stuff like that. 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

11 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I don't see a dichotomy between self help and spiritual enlightenment.  I see them as two sides of one coin.

Self help is about improving your life; spirituality is about finding out what is true.

I agree there is some overlap, but they're not the same thing. Most mainstream self-help stuff is anti-spiritual and anti-truth stage orange slop

[Carl-Richard]

18 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Leo’s solipsism video is a great example of such a teaching— but it got taken down. Why?

Maybe he realized it wasn't true?  Maybe?

 

18 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

So, this raises the question: what is the most truthful teaching? It’s when you just say the truth to the best of your ability without any disclaimers, offering of goodies, conceptual complication, or anything like that.

It's when you shut up. But then people want you to talk, so you put it into words. And that's when the entire hell of deception starts. You should sometimes appreciate those who take the piss out of talking. I remember such a being once.

Edited 5 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Joseph Maynor]

48 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Self help is about improving your life; spirituality is about finding out what is true.

I agree there is some overlap, but they're not the same thing. Most mainstream self-help stuff is anti-spiritual and anti-truth stage orange slop

Agreed in part.  I’m not equating pop self-help with spirituality.  I’m pointing to forms of development where improving one’s life and examining what’s true are interdependent.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Agreed in part.  I’m not equating pop self-help with spirituality.  I’m pointing to forms of development where improving one’s life and examining what’s true are interdependent.

Might it be the side effect of spirituality effectively helps the self? 

1 hour ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

It's like I said, a teaching where the teacher just says the truth as they are directly conscious of without any disclaimers, offering of survival benefits, or stuff like that. 

Gets inevitably corrupted due to the teacher needing to sustain themselves to actually teach. Survival always comes up.

Unless we just speak truth to the wall and care not about food. Water. Living. 

A fine line to walk. Maybe the purest teacher does not teach at all.

[bazera]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

’m pointing to forms of development where improving one’s life and examining what’s true are interdependent.

Could you give some concrete examples of that?

[Joseph Maynor]

8 minutes ago, bazera said:

Could you give some concrete examples of that?

Sure — here’s how I see the interdependence in practice:

1. Practical self-help like improving health, finances, and relationships builds stability and reduces stress, which makes deeper reflection and inquiry possible.

2. Accountability and structure cultivate self-awareness and agency rather than avoidance or drift.

3. Work on purpose, career direction, and leadership naturally raises existential questions about meaning, values, and identity.

4. Adult development and self-leadership involve examining assumptions, motivations, and worldview — which is philosophical work expressed through life decisions.

So practical growth and truth-seeking aren’t separate tracks in lived development.

[Joseph Maynor]

25 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Might it be the side effect of spirituality effectively helps the self? 

I feel like a lot of spiritual people could benefit from going back and doing more practical self-help work to be honest.  It just depends on the person.  It depends on what you want.

[bazera]

20 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Sure — here’s how I see the interdependence in practice:

1. Practical self-help like improving health, finances, and relationships builds stability and reduces stress, which makes deeper reflection and inquiry possible.

2. Accountability and structure cultivate self-awareness and agency rather than avoidance or drift.

3. Work on purpose, career direction, and leadership naturally raises existential questions about meaning, values, and identity.

4. Adult development and self-leadership involve examining assumptions, motivations, and worldview — which is philosophical work expressed through life decisions.

So practical growth and truth-seeking aren’t separate tracks in lived development.

Good list, thanks.

I'd add relationships to your list, most human interactions (intimate or otherwise) triggers certain aspects of your ingrained behavior patterns that's hard to notice solo. That also creates a possibility to observe what's true in your conditioned aspect of a self.

Of course all those assume the care for truth and intention of actually seeing it.

[Carl-Richard]

The end of suffering is truth. Anything else is survival. Survival is suffering.

@Leo Gura I feel you have always misunderstood suffering, as if it's this "ouchie ouchie" thing an organism exclamates, this strong and persistent sensation of pain or misery. No. It's merely dissatisfaction, of trying to squeeze partialness, division, out of life. Which is always fleeting, so the pressure reignites, going in cycles, which is disconcerting when the cycles are short or hard. Alleviating the pressure, brings you into union, true non-duality.

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

55 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Might it be the side effect of spirituality effectively helps the self?

Half-assing spirituality makes the self feel good. Whole-assing it kills it, permanently.

Edited 3 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Half-assing spirituality makes the self feel good. Whole-assing it kills it, permanently.

Well, I mean. That solves the self problem that needs the help in the first place... ?

So we win win yeah? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Well, I mean. That solves the self problem that needs the help in the first place... ?

So we win win yeah? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀

First you have to beat it into a pulp. First you have to scream into the abyss as you get teared apart and sucked into it.

Then it's a win win.

[Abyss emoji]

[Joseph Maynor]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

First you have to beat it into a pulp. First you have to scream into the abyss as you get teared apart and sucked into it.

Then it's a win win.

[Abyss emoji]

Really?

[Joseph Maynor]

The corruption is ultimately need for eyeballs.  It's marketing.  

[Cred]

5 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Bro... contemplate human nature. It's not as pretty as you believe

Did you consider that I might have arrived at this conclusion by observing humans and contemplating about human nature?

The question that I'm asking you is this: Why is Leo so uncorrupt? Why does he not run ads on this forum? Why does his "store" only contain two products? Is there something unique about Leo that makes him value truth above corruption?

The answer is yes but actually no. Leo is unique, however, there are plenty of people like him. It's just called autism. The idea of getting autistic people into power is not a lofty idea at all. In fact, autistic people are already in power currently. The reason why there's so much suffering is simply because of their self-hatred and because ot the fact that they genuinely believe that liberalism is true.

If you structure society in such a way that autistic marxists have all the hard power, then there will be a lot less corruption, and inequality and injustice will slowly be eroded.

Edited 13 minutes ago by Cred