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The discussion in Israel during the war with Iran

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On 16/4/2026 at 0:38 AM, Nivsch said:

The biggest enemy of the State of Israel today — and the only one that could dismantle it from within and lead to another October 7 massacre, or to the destruction of a third temple — is:
Tribalism.

This is the same in all democratic countries. In fact it's something that is getting more acute every year. 

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Israeli voices 📺 April 20th

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is the same in all democratic countries. In fact it's something that is getting more acute every year. 

I added this article because it reflects what I personally feel when talking with people here from the pro government side and how I feel myself sometimes threatened or at least triggered by some of them. Even when I try to talk to the point, it isn't always easy. Tribalism is more pronounced here than in European countries I think.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

I added this article because it reflects what I personally feel when talking with people here from the pro government side and how I feel myself sometimes threatened or at least triggered by some of them. Even when I try to talk to the point, it isn't always easy. Tribalism is more pronounced here than in European countries I think.

I'm sure it would, because you're in a hostile environment. But for example, I live in Spain, and the right and the left literally hate each other. The divide is enormous. I can't imagine what this would be like in an environment like Israel

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm sure it would, because you're in a hostile environment. But for example, I live in Spain, and the right and the left literally hate each other. The divide is enormous. I can't imagine what this would be like in an environment like Israel

Ok, interesting. If you live there, you know. What issues are the sides in your country most conflicted about?

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Israel's 78th Independence Day is marked by increasing polarization, expressed in both the official ceremony in Jerusalem and the alternative one in Tel Aviv.

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@Raze Bennett is right-wing. The opposition is not.

Bennett joined the opposition after being labeled a 'traitor' by the right, because of his decision to form a government with parties from the opposition in 2021, which was the only technical way for him to become prime minister.

Today the opposition supports him because he significantly increases their chances to form a coalition (you need at least 61 Knesset members to create a blocking majority) that could bring down Netanyahu.

In fact, in 2015 Bennett said on TV that his party at the time (“The Jewish Home” which had 12 Knesset members) is "the only party opposing the establishment of a Palestinian state, while all other parties would lead to the creation of it".

You can translate this page to read the article from 2015:

https://news.walla.co.il/break/2822573

It is possible he emphasized that message for political campaigning, but the fact he chose to frame it that way suggests that other parties either support or are at least open to a Palestinian state because otherwise that message wouldn’t make much sense politically.

Supporting Bennett politically doesn’t mean adopting all his positions. 

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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On 23/4/2026 at 0:44 AM, Nivsch said:

Israel's 78th Independence Day is marked by increasing polarization, expressed in both the official ceremony in Jerusalem and the alternative one in Tel Aviv.

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What is exactly the polarization in Israel? The progressives can't do anymore very different than the radicals. It's impossible to dismantle the settlements, then what they could do? Maybe stop the expansion is the only real difference 

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@Nivsch

 

I ask myself where all these protesters were when the genocide in Gaza happened or while 9000 innocent Palestinians are still imprisoned beaten and tortured.

Obviously when a rocket falls down near to you, you get the dimension of how horrible and desastrous a war is, and when you have constant sirens awakening your and frighetning you. But when the 100.000 tons of explosives with 1 ton bombs devastated the entire Gaza Strip, nobody went to demonstrate other than that one NGO that name I cant remember now.

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Eurofalsh in Tel Aviv every Sunday.

Eurovision lip sync performances with a crazy talented band. Quite magical. I barely miss a night since I started going. From last night.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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@Breakingthewall Its indeed difficult to make tangible moves on this issue right now. I am under the impression that October 7 has frozen it for a while.
Regarding polarization you can actually get a sense of it from this thread 🙂
It is hard to fully define it in words, but at its core there are different groups here that view almost every major issue in very different ways, in terms of values, identity, and how people interpret reality.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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15 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@Breakingthewall Its indeed difficult to make tangible moves on this issue right now. I am under the impression that October 7 has frozen it for a while.
Regarding polarization you can actually get a sense of it from this thread 🙂
It is hard to fully define it in words, but at its core there are different groups here that view almost every major issue in very different ways, in terms of values, identity, and how people interpret reality.

Sure that there are certainly differences in the nuances, but essentially, the real difference would be if a party had the formation of a Palestinian state as a principle. This would clash head-on with the far right. It wouldn't be a normal ideological clash but a potential cause of civil war.

But on the other hand, if a Palestinian state is never established, what's the point? To continue like now forever?

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@Breakingthewall Not nuances but real differences. Not only about a Palestinian state, but also about democracy, the role of the courts and the high court, the dominance of religion in public life, women rights, minorities rights, Israeli Arabs rights, LGBT rights, civil marriage, veganism and more.

Regarding a Palestinian state, you are right the current situation is tricky to manage and problematic, but after Oct 7, even many people who supported it became more cautious because this is not only ideological anymore but also about security and trust. The issue has become somewhat taboo and politicians are a bit more afraid, at least in the meantime, to talk about it in sharp words.

I think the Two State Solution is a win win because it is both just and secure long term. Some people think like me, and some think exactly the opposite. There isn’t a clear consensus, and that is part of the polarization.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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Israeli voices 🐦 April 28th

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On 19.4.2026 at 3:59 PM, Karmadhi said:

@Nivsch Who is Zehava, Idan and Yael?

They seem to make good comments

I am impressed

Also thanks for sharing them, it is helpful to check both sides and since many of us do not know much about Israel outside key politicans who are lunatics, it helps paint a more complete picture instead of 1 sided

My pleasure, and thank you

Zehava was the leader of the left-wing party Meretz. Idan is a journalist in the Israeli newspaper "Globes". You are welcome to write here more.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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Just curious What’s you take on Israel’s aggression in Syria for the past year and a half? 
plz don’t tell me to link anything because it’s so obvious at this point and most of my resources are in Arabic. 

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42 minutes ago, integration journey said:

Just curious What’s you take on Israel’s aggression in Syria for the past year and a half? 
plz don’t tell me to link anything because it’s so obvious at this point and most of my resources are in Arabic. 

Israel claims that these actions are driven by security concerns: Hudreds of airstrikes to prevent weapons transfers to Hezbollah and limiting Iranian and Iranian backed presence in Syria, ground operations to create a buffer zone between the new regime in Syria and Israel. Part of the strikes are in response to rocket fire and are aimed to protect the Druze

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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