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[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

It seems as if you're trying to justify the Gaza massacre.

The Gaza massacre was justified because it was a matter of survival. Gaza was a rapidly growing city of two million people whose primary principle wasn't development or well-being, but rather war against Israel. Perhaps they were right, or perhaps not; it's irrelevant. If you promote war and hatred for 20 years, you eventually have war.

War is about massacres. The best thing is to avoid wars, but they happen, so if you promote hatred and violence, don't complain later. If the Palestinian could, they would destroy Israel, then where is the complain? Why don't to try developing, coexistence , fair competition in business? But no, they promoted martyrdom, then they got martyrdom. 

[Elliott]

Iranian missile striking nazi occupied territory yesterday.

 

 

 

 

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[Cred]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why don't to try developing, coexistence , fair competition in business?

Because Isreal is the aggressor not the gazans. Zionism was never about peace. Zionism was always about superiority and oppression. The zionists never wanted peace with the palestinians ever. It was the goal from the start to genocide them.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Cred said:

Because Isreal is the aggressor not the gazans. Zionism was never about peace. Zionism was always about superiority and oppression. The zionists never wanted peace with the palestinians ever. It was the goal from the start to genocide them.

What would happen if the Palestinians were pacifists and obsessed with scientific and social progress? What would the Israelis do with Gaza? 

It should not be forgotten that the Palestinians have rejected six offers to establish a Palestinian state, deeming them unjust. Instead, they have chosen as their absolute goal the elimination of Israel, the cause of all evil.

[Raze]

11 hours ago, Lila9 said:

 

 

My point is not that opposing genocide automatically makes someone antisemitic. People are allowed to criticize Israel, Netanyahu, and its actions.

I agree that Israelis don’t fully know what’s happening in Gaza, partly due to media and political framing that creates distance and emphasizes real security threats.

This also makes it hard to accept that Israeli actions have caused civilian deaths, even unintentionally. Especially after the October 7 attacks and ongoing threats from Iran and its allies.

However, when parts of the Western far left condemn Israel while justifying the October 7 masccare (targeting civilians), ignoring other global atrocities, and promoting slogans like a “global intifada” (which basically means genocide) it raises questions about consistency. This rhetoric can feel deeply threatening to Israelis and Jews, for whom “intifada” is associated with real violence and trauma. So the concerns of antisemitism are valid. 

If genocide and human rights violations are wrong, they should be opposed consistently, everywhere, and by everyone, not selectively or for ideological reasons.

 

Intifada is just the Arabic word for rebellion, it has nothing to do with genocide.

Israel killed far more civilians on both intifadas.

They are opposed consistently by everyone except Israelis who continue to defend their own. No one is defending what’s happening in Sudan. 

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[Raze]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What would happen if the Palestinians were pacifists and obsessed with scientific and social progress? What would the Israelis do with Gaza? 

It should not be forgotten that the Palestinians have rejected six offers to establish a Palestinian state, deeming them unjust. Instead, they have chosen as their absolute goal the elimination of Israel, the cause of all evil.

What would happen regarding your understanding is nothing because you are incapable of processing new information so you will keep stubbornly repeating stupid falsehoods like you are doing now. 

What you’re saying is so stupidly misinformed anyone with the slightest understanding can recognize how idiotic it is.

You yourself have been told this multiple times, but you can’t respond to the arguments so you act like they don’t exist. 
 

- Gaza was under blockade specifically designed to destroy economic development

- Hamas proposed long term ceasefires and disarmament for a Palestinian state, Israel refused

- the West Bank is controlled by the compliant PA who doesn’t attack Israel, Israel murders Palestinians weekly 

- they rejected “state offers” because none of those offers were for a state, they were for occupation.

- you were just whining about how evil it was to justify October 7 as an attack done in response to Israel destroying Palestine. yet now you are justifying mass murder of children because you think they want to “destroy Israel”.

Its similar to how when anyone brings up atrocities by Israel you deflect to something else like China as though that makes it ok, but later whine about how they don’t have LGBTQ rights as though that justifies war crimes, then accuse others of being moralists.

It’s just that you have no understanding, no morality, and no coherent reasoning, and are incapable of processing information to change your view. 

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[Raze]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

This means acknowledging an undeniable reality: if Iran so chooses, it can collapse the global economy. Therefore, a war against Iran is not viable.

The Ayatollahs' regime will be morally strengthened, though materially weakened. Most likely, they will adopt a rhetoric of victory but reduce their interventions outside their country.

Israel will remain at war with Hezbollah a while more,  and Trump and Netanyahu will claim that everything has been a success and has unfolded according to the most optimistic forecasts. 

The question is: will Iran open the Strait of Hormuz once the US and Israel cease their attacks? Probably not immediately, because that would be showing submission when they are in a position to demonstrate dominance.

Prompt: User breakingthewall says this today but on January 9th he said “Yes, the ayatollahs are going to fall. It's a matter of days.

It is an event of the utmost importance in the global geopolitical landscape” 

what does this tell us about his geopolitical understanding, his reasoning. 

result: 

It mainly tells you that his analysis is inconsistent and likely driven more by speculation or shifting narratives than by a stable, evidence-based framework. Predicting that Iran’s leadership would fall “in a matter of days” is an extremely strong, time-specific claim—and when that doesn’t happen, pivoting to a new, almost opposite framing (that the regime will be “morally strengthened” and strategically restrained) suggests he may be reacting to events rather than anticipating them with a disciplined model of how states behave.

On reasoning, it points to overconfidence and a tendency toward dramatic, absolute conclusions. Serious geopolitical analysis usually deals in probabilities, uncertainties, and competing scenarios—not definitive, short-term predictions about regime collapse or sweeping claims like a single country being able to “collapse the global economy” at will. Those kinds of statements are typically red flags for overreach or rhetorical emphasis rather than careful analysis.

[Wilhelm44]

9 hours ago, Lila9 said:

It seems that due to some ideological reasons you view Israelis and Jews as purely evil, rather than as humans trying to survive in a complex reality. 

You don’t see Chinese people the same way, even though atrocities are committed by their government (an actual genocide).

At this point, nothing Israelis do will satisfy you unless they cease to exist.

Not sure how you reached that conclusion. I identify much more with Israel than with Palestine.

It's your government that went too far with Gaza, and failure to condemn their actions, contributes to a rise in anti semitism, like it or not.

If your enemy holds up babies and women as shields, you don't just shoot the babies and children.  You make another plan of attack. Use your intelligence, use your special forces, that's what they there for. Otherwise you're engaged in similar kind of activities than the monsters who did Oct 7.

[Wilhelm44]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The Gaza massacre was justified because it was a matter of survival. Gaza was a rapidly growing city of two million people whose primary principle wasn't development or well-being, but rather war against Israel. Perhaps they were right, or perhaps not; it's irrelevant. If you promote war and hatred for 20 years, you eventually have war.

War is about massacres. The best thing is to avoid wars, but they happen, so if you promote hatred and violence, don't complain later. If the Palestinian could, they would destroy Israel, then where is the complain? Why don't to try developing, coexistence , fair competition in business? But no, they promoted martyrdom, then they got martyrdom. 

You being way too glib with the suffering of thousands of innocent women and children.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Raze said:

Prompt: User breakingthewall says this today but on January 9th he said “Yes, the ayatollahs are going to fall. It's a matter of days.

It is an event of the utmost importance in the global geopolitical landscape” 

Yeah , but it doesn't happen, then the options are different, but still, we don't know the results of the action. An action is good when it has results that benefits you, and bad when it hasn't, but nothing is sure untill you do it. Have you ever do real actions in life? Nothing is certainly. 

5 hours ago, Raze said:

you are incapable of processing new information so you will keep stubbornly repeating stupid falsehoods like you are doing now. 

What you’re saying is so stupidly misinformed anyone with the slightest understanding can recognize how idiotic it is.

Poor raze, nobody hugs you? No girl talks with noble Guevara? It's a shame, so noble fighter and they are so selfish. Well Guevara , that's life, oh noble fighter. Stop insulting, it's a first step.

Gazans voted Hamas, oh noble, noble soul full of anger. Then, gaza was locked. They were free to behead gays and stone women without hood, but no to do martyrdom in Israel. Thats very unfair for them, but that's life. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

You being way too glib with the suffering of thousands of innocent women and children.

This isn't a matter of sentiment, but of analysis. In Hamburg, the British killed 45,000 German civilians in a single day. They used phosphorus bombs designed by engineers to kill civilians in high buildings. These bombs had a lead head that pierced the entire building, and the burning phosphorus was expelled under pressure during the fall, spreading through all the floors and burning the inhabitants alive.

Next day they received the information that the the survivors had taken refuge in a sports center on the outskirts of town, where food and blankets were being distributed. Then they organized another mission to bomb that sports center with phosphorus.

They did that to explain the Germans that war is not good. Seems that they understood it. 

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[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

This isn't a matter of sentiment, but of analysis. In Hamburg, the British killed 45,000 German civilians in a single day. They used phosphorus bombs designed by engineers to kill civilians in high buildings. These bombs had a lead head that pierced the entire building, and the burning phosphorus was expelled under pressure during the fall, spreading through all the floors and burning the inhabitants alive.

Next day they received the information that the the survivors had taken refuge in a sports center on the outskirts of town, where food and blankets were being distributed. Then they organized another mission to bomb that sports center with phosphorus.

They did that to explain the Germans that war is not good. Seems that they understood it. 

According to your logic, Israel should have simply nuked Gaza, that would have taught them a more valuable lesson right ?

Sighting barbarism from a war that happened 80 years ago as justification for Gaza, is not good analysis.

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[Raze]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This isn't a matter of sentiment, but of analysis. In Hamburg, the British killed 45,000 German civilians in a single day. They used phosphorus bombs designed by engineers to kill civilians in high buildings. These bombs had a lead head that pierced the entire building, and the burning phosphorus was expelled under pressure during the fall, spreading through all the floors and burning the inhabitants alive.

Next day they received the information that the the survivors had taken refuge in a sports center on the outskirts of town, where food and blankets were being distributed. Then they organized another mission to bomb that sports center with phosphorus.

They did that to explain the Germans that war is not good. Seems that they understood it. 

The problem is your analysis comes from a perspective that lacks understanding and has poor moral devlopment.

Unbiased AI analaysis of your posts:

In terms of intellectual and moral development, this reads like someone stuck at a very early stage: confident, dismissive, and attracted to harsh, absolutist narratives that make the world feel simple and justified. There’s no nuance, no willingness to grapple with ambiguity, and no consistent ethical framework—just a rotating set of arguments that all point in the same direction. That’s not critical thinking. It’s rationalization with a thin veneer of cynicism.
 

So many of your points are so obviously stupid instead of whining about insults (no one insulted you, I insulted your arguments), actually try and learn something.

- Gaza voted for Hamas over 10 years ago, most weren’t born or didn’t vote

- you show blatant moral inconsistency by claiming massacre of Gaza is justified because they want to “destroy Israel” but Oct 7 isn’t justified when israel is destroying Palestine

You once again ignored the refutation to the points and made some bizarre ramble that doesn’t address anything.

[Wilhelm44]

@Breakingthewall  Saying that Israel was justified in carpet bombing Gaza out of survival concerns is absolute nonsense. Hamas's actions are also coming from survival concerns, it doesn't mean they are therefore necessarily justified.

Thats like saying Apartheid was justified because it served the survival concerns of the white people in South Africa. 

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[zazen]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This isn't a matter of sentiment, but of analysis

It’s sloppy analysis if you equate a stateless people fighting for their right to a state that is denied by their occupiers - with an expansionist Nazi regime wanting to dominate other states continentally beyond its own.

Of course Palestinians are going to lash out violently at times and resist in asymmetric ways that use terrorist tactics if other avenues are denied to them or Israel demand concessions that would make their “state” not a proper one with full sovereignty.

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

According to your logic, Israel should have simply nuked Gaza, that would have taught them a more valuable lesson right ?

Sighting barbarism from a war that happened 80 years ago as justification for Gaza, is not good analysis.

No, you haven't understood. What happened was not barbarism, was war. War is something that exists, and when it starts those events happen. If you educate your population in hate and war, there are a lot of possibilities that war happens.

[Nivsch]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It should not be forgotten that the Palestinians have rejected six offers to establish a Palestinian state,

True

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

analysis if you equate a stateless people fighting for their right to a state that is denied by their occupiers - with an expansionist Nazi regime wanting to dominate other states continentally beyond its own.

No no, you don't understand. Look, this is so astonishing, it will blow your brain: the Nazis didn't think that they were horrible criminals, they thought they fight for justice, order and greater goodness . Same than Hamas. But from Hamas pov (and yours)  there is absolutely legitimate to burn alive girls when you yell Allah Akbar, and extremely astonishing being bombed later because their cause, the expulsion of the evil jew and the disappearance of Israel, is absolutely legitimate.

It's crazy, nazis thought that Europeans didn't understand them, because they were doing greater good cleaning humanity from subhumans. 

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

your analysis comes from a perspective that lacks understanding and has poor moral devlopment.

You are so noble. Noble warrior, the real Guevara nowadays. If I were a girl, oh my god. But as I am not, I wrote this poem inspired in you

Oh noble paladin of good.

Virile, masculine, fierce, and valiant.

Terror of the crooked-nosed evil Jew.

Defender of hooded widows and starving children.

With your chest about to burst with divine wrath, you devour hamburgers while masturbating in your room.

Noble soul. Valiant warrior.

[Cred]

@Breakingthewall The more I learn about histrory, the more sure I am that if there is a conflict, the west has started that conflict out of some kind of superiority thinking.

This notion of "it doesn't matter who started it, the wiser one gives in" works in nursery school but it does not work in geopolitics.

Edited 2 hours ago by Cred