What is the Purpose of all of this? Is there a Purpose? Is this a good question

[saif2]

I asked myself those questions

Why AM I here? What is the purpose of this? Is there even a Purpose? Why Do I assume that I exist? What is something beyond thought, emotions, and sense perceptions? There is Purity here. What about through History? What about evolution Am I evolving? Emerson said " History is an impertinence and an injury if it be anything more than a cheerful apologue of my being and becoming."

And then I realized the Purpose of the phenomenal world is not to become God realized or to become more conscious. The phenomenal world is just a manifestation of God's evolution.

 

 

[LastThursday]

I think I've said it before, my prescriptive answer is that there is no purpose to this in any way. It just is. 

Saying that it doesn't stop purpose from being the main thrust of living, you just understand that purpose is there as a motivator or a prop to feed your human needs. There is no right way to carry out the process of living, and you don't have to live with purpose.

But you're asking a more existential question. There is so much coherence to experience that it seems silly not to give it purpose. Experience seems "designed" and put together too well not to be purposeful. What is purpose though? It's goal oriented action. And I think that is where it falls apart. The more you examine this the more it's realised there is no end goal to it, it just carries on and on, there is no purpose to it.

@saif2 would you say that the purpose is then just for God to manifest itself?

[Hojo]

There is no purpose its a shaggy dog joke. The purpose is to stay alert and anticipate the punchline.

Edited yesterday at 10:53 AM by Hojo

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, saif2 said:

Why AM I here?

 

Infinite is incomplete without you.

[Ziran]

47 minutes ago, Hojo said:

There is no purpose its a shaggy dog joke. The purpose is to stay alert and anticipate the punchline.

O Me! O Life!

By Walt Whitman - "Leaves of Grass" (1892)

Oh me! Oh life! of the questions of these recurring,
Of the endless trains of the faithless, of cities fill’d with the foolish,
Of myself forever reproaching myself, (for who more foolish than I, and who more faithless?)
Of eyes that vainly crave the light, of the objects mean, of the struggle ever renew’d,
Of the poor results of all, of the plodding and sordid crowds I see around me,
Of the empty and useless years of the rest, with the rest me intertwined,
The question, O me! so sad, recurring—What good amid these, O me, O life?

                                       Answer.
                                       That you are here—that life exists and identity,
                                       That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.
 

 

[UnbornTao]

"What is purpose?" is your question.

[saif2]

@LastThursday yes it does seem to be the case. That was a deep question thanks for asking it. 

 

[Someone here]

@saif2 There is no purpose.  The question of purpose occurs after you're done with your day and fullfiling your needs and desires. After you eat and drink and marry and have children and entertain yourself and maybe learn about the universe and maybe achieving wealth or success or fame ....then what ? Nothing. You just go back to baseline.  That's why people get addicted to heroin .and ironically that's why heroin addicts are some of the most miserable people in the world ..because they are like "then what ?".  Old people look depressed and grumpy and low tempered for the same reason because they've seen it all and went through all the diverse range of experiences in this life and now it's time to say goodbye but again .."then what ?".

Children don't have a purpose. They just play and enjoy the moment completely. And when They get tired they rest their heads on the pillow and fall asleep witin few minutes .

Animals don't even know what the fuck you are talking about 😂 . Observe cats..what do cats do ? They just look for food ..reproduce and just sit there doing nothing.  Do you think a cat asks itself what is the purpose of my life ?

I think enlightened people are like children and cats regarding this .

[vibv]

@saif2

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@saif2 There is no purpose. [...]

Well, we're here to CREATE PURPOSE—that's Purpose with a capital P.

We're in infancy still as a species. One huge challenge will be to confront purposelessness, emptiness and meaninglessness and then take responsibility to Create it ourselves, because that's what we're here for. We haven't accepted that quest yet as a civilization of Earth. Which means we're not really a Civilization yet.

[Someone here]

Just now, vibv said:

we're here to CREATE PURPOSE

No.we are not here to anything.  There is no life catalog. Do whatever you want. Wanna create a purpose go ahead .wanna rot in your couch go ahead. 

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

No.we are not here to anything.  There is no life catalog. Do whatever you want. Wanna create a purpose go ahead .wanna rot in your couch go ahead. 

Exactly. But this is exactly what I'm talking about. You make those things your purpose then, if you want to or not.

You can't not create purpose. The real question is if you're doing it consciously or not. And doing it consciously requires confronting the Great Meaninglessness and then transcending it.

Edited 9 hours ago by vibv

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, vibv said:

Exactly. But this is exactly what I'm talking about. You make those things your purpose then, if you want to or not.

You can't not create purpose. The real question is if you're doing it consciously or not. And doing it consciously requires confronting the Great Meaninglessness.

I understand your point better now.  I see no problem with creating a purpose for one's life . What I disagree with is "You can't not create purpose " . That's not true . Do you realize that that's basically the whole point of meditation and enlightenment?  To just sit there and free yourself and your mind from thoughts about future (and past as well)and detach yourself from this and just achieve a state of pure being ? Of just being present in the moment without feeling lack and without needing any carrot to run after ? 

[vibv]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

  To just sit there and free yourself and your mind from thoughts about future (and past as well)and detach yourself from this and just achieve a state of pure being ? Of just being present in the moment without feeling lack and without needing any carrot to run after ? 

Then you're creating that as your Purpose  Which is a great starting point, I'm not against that in any way. But there's more. It goes way deeper than that.

Still, it's already far beyond the mundane purpose of, say, working to earn a lot of money or something like that.

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, vibv said:

Then you're creating that as your Purpose  Which is a great starting point, I'm not against that in any way. But there's more. It goes way deeper than that.

Still, it's already far beyond the mundane purpose of, say, working to earn a lot of money or something like that.

Sure .we agree then. There is no God-given purpose and its relative to each human. That's what a lot of people have difficulty figuring out.

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

There is no God-given purpose...

True.

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and its relative to each human. 

Not entirely, there is Higher Purpose and mundane purpose. Realizing Higher Purpose requires Emancipation.

[Mellowmarsh]

The purpose of all this is to ………

 

 

[vibv]

11 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The purpose of all this is to ………

"Pretend I'm not here"

That's what the Devil would say 

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, vibv said:

Not entirely, there is Higher Purpose and mundane purpose. Realizing Higher Purpose requires Emancipation.

Even "Higher Purpose " is relative . Someone is a scientist..other one is a novel writer . 

[vibv]

20 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Even "Higher Purpose " is relative . Someone is a scientist..other one is a novel writer . 

The distinguishing quality of Higher Purpose is that it doesn't come from an external source, but from deep within. It comes from The Heart.

So in a sense I'd agree, I just wouldn't call it relative, but intimate.

Edited 7 hours ago by vibv

[kavaris]

2 hours ago, vibv said:

The distinguishing quality of Higher Purpose is that it doesn't come from an external source, but from deep within. It comes from The Heart.

So in a sense I'd agree, I just wouldn't call it relative, but intimate.

In the same way people think of The \*Inner World as being an analogy that foreshadows the External / Physical World, the World of the Physical is both an analogy for~and an expression towards, "That which is inspired through the **Imagined -> Manifested** reality". That is to say, yous have one direction of flow, flowing from the imagined (internal) to the external world, but now yous just need to see how it flows in the opposite direction as well, the left side of world/reality, that is ( our physical form as being a conceptual space for the conceptual~mental world )

Edited 4 hours ago by kavaris