Most men have no idea how low level they are

[LordFall]

I guess that statement applies to women as well but I'll focus on the male dating view in this post. 

I see a lot of comments both on this forum and on social media in general of people being over dating saying that it's a shallow activity or that they've been there done that and seen all there is in the field. Thankfully I think those are people are extremely foolish and misguided and I'll make my case here as to why.

Life has levels and dating has levels. It also has skills. This means that you lack the amount of skill necessary to achieve your dating goals. This is a good thing because it means that it's in your control to learn and change and that it's not fundamentally rigged against you. People have different goals but I'll boil it down to finding someone you're deeply attracted to and compatible with and together building an awesome life that you enjoy living.

It sounds like a simple task but I've rarely seen someone achieve it and I've met douzens of couples and hundreds of game guys. Let's break it down a bit further.

People settle hard big time. I don't know if they're fully conscious that they're doing it or if they brain makes a subconscious of calculation that they're out of bandwidth to handle more of the pain of existence by themselves but they seem to give up and settle for mediocre partners. 

The basic promise and "quest" of pickup is that you'll be able to sleep with and date 10s. It's actually a common trope for guys into pickup to end up with attractive women that have serious mental health issues and usually a diagnosed condition like BPD(Borderline personality disorder.) It makes perfect sense because humans are multifaceted. BPD literally manifests as having an unstable sense of self and personality and if you're a man that hasn't found himself yet and is in the process of building his life then it's basically your counterpart. So to have a high quality relationship we need both a partner that is highly attractive but also mentally healthy and compatible with us otherwise the relationship will turn to a nightmare(been there myself, would not recommend.)

So you need both to have worked on yourself as a man and on your ability to attract beautiful in demand woman and also have worked on your boundaries and abundance so that you don't tolerate toxic and unstable women in your life. You also need to find those women that are beautiful and also are compatible with your mission and interest. Meaning that you need to have some social circle game because you don't usually find those women at a random club/bar or on dating apps. Leo himself I believe fell into this trap because I do believe he's talked about dating beautiful IG models in Vegas but hasn't found some that would be compatible with his journey and lifestyle. 

This is not impossible, it's just hard. Status works like an aggregate of all other positive qualities meaning that to be a man at the top of multiple social circles you can't be a manipulator type with no substance as a social circle means that you're exposed to people long term and they get to know you; you have to consistently show up and offer value. 

Let's now talk about finances, to have the time and money to be able to dedicate a large amount of time to your dating life you need to have a great and flexible career or business that frees you economically. Which is what 5-10% of guys? You can try to do it without this but then you have various ceilings in your dating life like the ability to relocate and the ability to host your own events or paying to get into other high status events.

Now who do you know that has achieved all of this or a big chunk? Probably no one or not many people. It's not impossible though nor even realistic. If you hangout in high level circles in big city you will see a lot of guys that hit a lot of these buckets. I moved from a bigger city Toronto where I saw guys like this all the time back to a more medium city Calgary and you already see the quality of men go down.

Now the foreseeable objection to this is you're exaggerating, plenty of people date and don't go through all this headache. That's true but if you look at those couples a lot of them bicker all the time, have a stressed out and shitty lifestyle, poor sex life, cheat on eachother, etc. 

Your relationship should be an asset to your life. Your significant other making your life more enjoyable and helping your mission and life purpose. Don't give up on it before you reach this point. If this quest doesn't appeal to you that's fine but at least don't kid yourself and think that you've made it to the top and are now "enlightened" in the dating arts and are moving on to a superior field. As someone who's lived in many cities and seen many high level socialite circles, basically every single person I've seen with this stance is actually pretty mid and delusional. You can very easily test it and throw your own events. If you've sleep with a few cute girls here and there doesn't mean that you're high status lol, doubt you can even host one cool party with many hot girls. 

I think sex, dating and relationships are a beautiful fascet of life that can teach you infinite amounts about yourself and the world. It can be used as an escape but also for deep personal development and self-actualization. Before you give up on it at least try to picture that your absolute dream dating life would be and seeing if other men are out there living it and you can probably find some who are and learn from them and achieve it too.

I think the quest for love for women is a bit different for women than men but for men it closely resembles a video game with different stats that you have to level up to get to your dream life and you guys are way too low level to think you have beaten the game lol. If you do it right it's also fun and exciting, it's not supposed to be an endless painful grind. 

I saw it clear as day with my friends before I quit doing pickup, they would get laid regularly and purposefully I would notice they would never approach the hottest girls only the mid ones. They had unconsciously figured out their best move and stuck to it. I see a lot of guys in the same boat of giving up on dating or saying they're above pickup when if they're honest with themselves deep down they know that the hottest girls are not into them because they don't have much to offer. It's all good bro life is a video game just pick what you want and level up. 

Most people underestimate how bad they are at something. I used to be a pro player at league of legends and there was concept called Elo Hell there where because its a 5v5 team game people believed that their bad teammates was holding them back from climbing rankings. But actually you have 4 teammates and there are 5 enemies so bad players help you climb and as a booster that got paid to level up peoples accounts the average player was so bad at the game like not that far off from if they let their dog play the game. Real life is similar why do you think the world is fucked cuz there are experts at finance playing the game and winning. 

I started hosting modelling events and other high status events and it really showed me how high the ceiling is. I have a guy I throw the events with who's a multimillionaire and we do a podcast together, it's allowed me to meet tons of really cool, interesting and beautiful women and I've only started to dip my toes into what's possible. This is also only in Canada so that doesn't even include international events and trips and events that you can't even unlock unless you're gonna spend multiple tens of thousands just on the entry level. 

An easy tip for social circle niches is corporate, finance and crypto events. That field attracts really smart and hot women 25-35 that you don't find in the traditional nightlife scene. Yoga and wellness events can also be good but that's not really in my hobbies at the moment so I can't comment. Although one of the coolest events we've ever done was at a spa village, where they have a lot of hot tubs, cold plunges and saunas so that's another cool event to host that's different from anything alcohol related. 

I've actually put my dating life on hold to work on freeing myself financially and scaling my business. I lived in Toronto and got to the point where I could date decently but the dating life I desire requires way more cashflow than I have now. I aim to take my business fully online and travelling the world with multiple beautiful women before I settle down in somewhere nice that I haven't decided yet. I'm very excited to actualize both my business and dating life and wish the same for you all. God bless and much love. 

Edited yesterday at 02:19 AM by LordFall

[Elliott]

You only need to do that stuff if you're targeting materialistic women, which is an empty venture anyway. 

[Zenterus]

Crazy how different each man's "10" is.

I look at these pictures and had to squint to find maybe 2 that fit my tastes.

But I do see the value of what you're saying. Social Circle is definitely the highest form of game. If Cold Approach is hunting for food, Social Circle is farming. Way more sustainable and scalable. However, you're kidding yourself if you think you NEED to do that to get the hottest women.

No matter who you are, you have to go grocery shopping every now and then, you have to walk down the street to get somewhere, you will have a friend that drags you out to a night life venue and you will inevitably be in a position to be approached by a man daring enough to try. And all it takes is one guy who is compelling enough and has the skills to move things forward in a methodical fashion for you to be seduced.

I agree that a lot of men are delusional when it comes to dating, though. They need to improve themselves: hit the gym, learn charisma, work on your insecurities, develop some decent friendships, groom yourself etc etc. But the average guy, if willing to put himself out there and approach these attractive 10s can and will get one. These women are only human, dude. 

The 10s I've met in my life were almost all homebodies, introverted and didnt like being around people all the time. Im sure there are others who are more social, more status oriented, want to be part of a community, too. But the point is, thats not all of them. 

The highest form of game is realizing that these women are no different than you. Accept yourself fully, develop your character as a man (its a paradox, Im aware) and know there is a woman out there who will love who you are, right now.

Having that said, I will be hosting my own container event soon and will be building my own social circle out of inspiration to do so, not because I feel like thats the ultimate way to get the type of girl I want.

[Hojo]

I really dont understand how you could spend your entire life trying to attract beautiful woman, alot are annoying as hell and use their attractiveness to extract from you. Thats what you want?

You want to constantly be annoyed and fighting useless battles to feel special to have a body around that the person didnt even create?

I am not saying every attractive woman is like this but a high majority of them develop ego around it and feel that just being there as a beautiful woman is somehow an accomplishment that should be admired.

There are bigger things to achieve.

Every guy in that picture would have no hope with those woman except with money that they want to extract from them.

Being high status is a curse that should be fleed from not tried to be obtained.

Edited yesterday at 11:14 AM by Hojo

[WonderSeeker]

@LordFall If that's what makes you feel like a million bucks, go get 'em.

I used to fee insecure about my dating/sex habits, but now I'll happily admit that I date only 2-3 girls per year and sleep with 1 of them (unless I have a girlfriend). Sex has never really been high priority for me and even when it was a little higher on the list, it distracted from all the other cool things I love about life.

Maybe you and your bros are just wired to want a buncha hot girls, and that's fine.

And yet, the hot ones are often the worst to be around. I never approached them in bars, not because I was scared of their hotness (laughable), but because I was "scared" of their craziness. I once f*cked a SUPER "hot" girl, which made me feel like I shot up heroin after (it felt AMAZING). But she turned out to be a total psychopath with the worst personality ever, and I had to ditch her like a high speed chase.

If she's a 10 in looks but a 2 in personality, 10+2=12 (lame). Is she's only a 7 in looks but a 9 in personality, 7+9=16 (better). I've had both and I would take the one with a surplus in personality every time. Then again, I'm demisexual, as others on this forum have pointed out.

"Demisexuality is used to describe individuals who feel sexually attracted to someone only after developing a close or strong emotional bond with them." (Wikipedia)

All of that said, it looks like you've got a killer network and I hope you crush your goals. I think you're a little bit of an outlier on this forum in terms of game skills, sex drive, and motivation (for better, worse, or both).

Only thing I'd ask is why do you care who is picking up whom and what people on the forums think? They probably aren't as dedicated to this stuff as you. You're clearly more wired for it or have convinced yourself you're invested in this lifestyle and ought to max it. Which again, nothing wrong with that, but for most people it's a stepping stone that becomes tertiary before long.

Cheers~

[theleelajoker]

Nothing I love more then people explaining other people how to do their dating life lol 

You have some good arguments, but it's just generic stuff.

"Work on insecurities, don't get stuck in one MOP, develop your character etc"

As if I say "you need to find someone that offers a good balance of having things in common, but also differences where you can learn complement each other from. Don't make money your priority, but it's important to live freely. Have a structure in your life, but don't get stuck in routines. Don't go for looks only, but there needs to be sexual attraction. Find a woman that is loving but also challenges you" etc etc. 

You have your way of doing things, I have my way 

[LordFall]

6 hours ago, Elliott said:

You only need to do that stuff if you're targeting materialistic women, which is an empty venture anyway. 

I like attractive smart women with a lot going for them. You can call them materialistic or you can call them in demand with a lot of options. 

@Zenterus Good luck with the events, they're fun but a lot of work. What is your taste in women? Once you start doing them you'll see you can cater to specific niches but it takes a while for the seeds to flourish. I'm gonna be doing some fashion events in Europe in spring 2027 so gonna be meeting meeting even more stunning women there. 

@Hojo I love the status game, as an INTP I find it very fulfilling. You get to unravel the mysteries of the universe and sleep with beautiful women as a reward. They're not more annoying than men, just have their own objectives as humans. Women need to feel safe in a chaotic world and unless you're the man you can't really dominate your society and offer them safety, purpose and a fun existence at your side.

 @WonderSeeker Totally people have different goals, I aim to encourage those that want to achieve more and document my journey. I'm not where I want to be and it's looking like in 6-8 months my setup will level up even more so I want to showcase the journey and progress of it. Everyone can achieve a level of this if they want so I just get disappointed when I see people getting stuck at level 2 of the journey and giving up.

@theleelajoker Some ways work better than others brother. It's not generic at all, I've studied most game coaches and only people like RSD Luke and Michael Sartain do social circle game at a high level. I've learned from both and it's why I've been able to do some pretty crazy events and date some girls that I don't see anybody else have even access to lol. If you're able to replicate some of this feel free to share your Instagram and share your results as well. They say the two core male delusions is being able to fight any other men out there and being able to pickup any woman. That's why having IVE(irrefutable visual evidence of your life) and receipts is key if you wanna come at it from a similar place of authority. 

I'm a polyamorous man myself and want to explore the world and date many of these women and buy a castle somewhere and settle down with a few wives so getting one attractive girl to be into me was only the start of my journey. I'm grateful to all the women I've met so far and am looking forward to meeting many more! 

Hot women teach you a lot about the universe and if they're difficult in your experience it's because they have a lot of shit test to screen out men. If you are what they want they turn into princesses it's funny and very pleasant to witness. Women are the greatest invention of God apart from the universe itself, such a joy to meet your divine counterpart in physical form. 

[Elliott]

7 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I like attractive smart women with a lot going for them. You can call them materialistic or you can call them in demand with a lot of options. 

Materialistic women are not in high demand, that's why rich guys wind up marrying 3 times. Nor are they smart.

 

You want smart and hot, try volunteer work and explore those social groups. And, no need to be a millionaire there either.

Edited 19 hours ago by Elliott

[LordFall]

13 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Materialistic women are not in high demand, nor are they smart.

You want smart and hot, try volunteer work and explore those social groups. And, no need to be a millionaire there either.

It's interesting to see your perspective fleshed out over out conversations. I see that it's quite limited though. You're like a socialist being sour grapes to people doing better than you. First it was rejecting the idea of casual sex then it was rejecting pickup now it's rejecting high status women.

When you do volunteer work you realize that it's also based on materialism right? Like volunteer organizations generally seek to help animals, or help the homeless or victims of domestic abuse or refugees. You realize that's a business right? Like they need funds to fulfill their mission and do their volunteer work. Don't you think that as a millionaire you could further those causes and help more people? And thus if you're a millionaire man you're a higher value man because you literally command more economic value than the average man and can thus fund causes that mean more to you.

There are plenty of well connected attractive women that also value social causes. This caricature of "materialistic women" as being unpleasant shallow women that don't have any meaningful goals is really hurting you Elliott and anyone else who shares that view. 

What volunteer organizations mean a lot to you? For example princess Chiara de Bourbon is the ambassador for World Wide Fund for Italy and France so clearly animal rescue means a lot to her. Why don't you go organize big charity events around the world and you can meet attractive women who are into that. 

https://www.instagram.com/chiaradebourbon/

The high status women are too materialistic for me is cope brother, they're just women and people and usually are pretty cool and well developed too. Go level up and date one or many of them. They're super cool to hang out with, they have cool ideas and if you're a competent man with resources you can help them make their ideas come to live and live a fun life of purpose and abundance with them. 

Edited 19 hours ago by LordFall

[theleelajoker]

@LordFall you see, you like anyone else including me, you build your model of the world on assumptions. For instance, asking me to show my IVE on Instagram includes shitty assumptions. First  I don't care about showing off IVE and second, don't use Instagram or anything similar.

Another example: you throw in names of some dudes or some called dating coaches and draw a comparison. I don't know or even remotely care about these guys or what they do. And why the heck would I want to replicate the life of someone else?  I live my own life with all my little success, failures and everything in between. 

Where we 100% agree though, is the beauty of women and how much they taught me about a lot of things. We disagree again in calling it "shit tests". I call it things happening.

Where we agree again is the "turning into princesses". There's few things as satisfying than a softness in a woman's voice, touch, her whole energy when you as a couple managed to create this magic. But for me it's not a one way street, it's her job to contribute to this as well. Princess has to work for a prince as well, and when both do it, it's a beautiful dance.

 

[Elliott]

12 minutes ago, LordFall said:

It's interesting to see your perspective fleshed out over out conversations. I see that it's quite limited though. You're like a socialist being sour grapes to people doing better than you. First it was rejecting the idea of casual sex then it was rejecting pickup now it's rejecting high status women.

When you do volunteer work you realize that it's also based on materialism right? Like volunteer organizations generally seek to help animals, or help the homeless or victims of domestic abuse or refugees. You realize that's a business right? Like they need funds to fulfill their mission and do their volunteer work. Don't you think that as a millionaire you could further those causes and help more people? And thus if you're a millionaire man you're a higher value man because you literally command more economic value than the average man and can thus fund causes that mean more to you.

There are plenty of well connected attractive women that also value social causes. This caricature of "materialistic women" as being unpleasant shallow women that don't have any meaningful goals is really hurting you Elliott and anyone else who shares that view. 

What volunteer organizations mean a lot to you? For example princess Chiara de Bourbon is the ambassador for World Wide Fund for Italy and France so clearly animal rescue means a lot to her. Why don't you go organize big charity events around the world and you can meet attractive women who are into that. 

https://www.instagram.com/chiaradebourbon/

The high status women are too materialistic for me is cope brother, they're just women and people and usually are pretty cool and well developed too. Go level up and date one or many of them. They're super cool to hang out with, they have cool ideas and if you're a competent man with resources you can help them make their ideas come to live and live a fun life of purpose and abundance with them. 

There's no need to be so emotional. You're making great leaps and misrepresentations, what you're doing is the same as the prior thread it's called a Motte and Bailey, if you want to look up your hang up most everyone on here sees.

Your post emphasized status of YOU, not the women, actually. You're spreading a disease and I won't stand for it, you're harming vulnerable young guys on here, with the previous thread and this one. When I said materialistic I, obviously, meant its their main motivation, not that you should look for a homeless woman living in the woods. 

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Edited 18 hours ago by Elliott

[LordFall]

9 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

@LordFall you see, you like anyone else including me, you build your model of the world on assumptions. For instance, asking me to show my IVE on Instagram includes shitty assumptions. First  I don't care about showing off IVE and second, don't use Instagram or anything similar.

Another example: you throw in names of some dudes or some called dating coaches and draw a comparison. I don't know or even remotely care about these guys or what they do. And why the heck would I want to replicate the life of someone else?  I live my own life with all my little success, failures and everything in between. 

Where we 100% agree though, is the beauty of women and how much they taught me about a lot of things. We disagree again in calling it "shit tests". I call it things happening.

Where we agree again is the "turning into princesses". There's few things as satisfying than a softness in a woman's voice, touch, her whole energy when you as a couple managed to create this magic. But for me it's not a one way street, it's her job to contribute to this as well. Princess has to work for a prince as well, and when both do it, it's a beautiful dance.

 

No they're not assumptions, they're common landmarks that we can use as epistemology to validate what is said. Instagram is the app that pretty much all women are. If you don't have a presence on there then you will be irrelevant to a lot of them, no matter how well built your life is. I have clients that pay me to build their Instagram, it's called personal branding. 

If you don't know much about the field nor have any way to showcase any social circle you're a part of nor the women that are in your life then your perspective is limited. I'm sure you've dated beautiful women since you're aware of how compliant they get when they trust you and feel safe with you. It's indeed important to get them to help you build your kingdom as well and not just be entitled princess that you labor for, princesses love to work for the king  what else is there to do in this universe. 

@Elliott Not at all, you can feel free to elaborate your perspective but I've just fleshed out your mental block. If you had some intellectual integrity and awareness you'd thank me for it. Feel free to introspect on it and if you're able to point out flaws in my arguments and ideology feel free but it's pretty solid, well researched and tested so I sincerely doubt that you can. 

Edited 18 hours ago by LordFall

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, LordFall said:

 

@Elliott Not at all, you can feel free to elaborate your perspective but I've just fleshed out your mental block. If you had some intellectual integrity and awareness you'd thank me for it. Feel free to introspect on it and if you're able to point out flaws in my arguments and ideology feel free but it's pretty solid, well researched and tested so I sincerely doubt that you can. 

Easy

Point to your role models, they're almost all divorced 3 times

Edited 18 hours ago by Elliott

[LordFall]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Easy

Point to your role models, they're all divorced 3 times

As I've said, that's what you call a cognitive bias and an assumption. Can you elaborate on why you believe this?

I admire Julien Blanc and Maximilien Tornow who are pickup coaches who are in relationships. I like what David Bond teaches, he's not really into marriage but travels the world and has more shorter term girlfriends. In terms of high status men I like Alex Hormozi, he's the power couple type that does philantrophy with his hundreds of millions of dollars. In terms of ecosystem I like Hugh Hefner, he was never divorced but his ex girlfriends have some indeed shady things to say about him. Will and Ariel Durant are now dead but they are a couple who became some of the top historians on earth and ran a thriving business and life purpose together. 

The problem is you're speaking from theory man. I take from successful men in all niches and apply it to my life and share what I've learned with my clients and online. I don't need a flawless role model to learn from because I can learn from their mistakes. Michael Sartain is a great coach who I've learned form but he's not married. Leo Gura is also a great man that I learn from but he doesn't have my dream dating life. Learn from your other selves on what makes sense to you and build your dream life standing on the shoulders of giants; that's my philosophy. 

Edited 18 hours ago by LordFall

[Valach]

@LordFall I feel like Julien has distanced quite a bit from his pickup days and even his views on dating and casual sex and all that have changed dramatically. That's the vibe I get at least from his current content.

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, LordFall said:

As I've said, that's what you call a cognitive bias and an assumption. Can you elaborate on why you believe this?

I admire Julien Blanc and Maximilien Tornow who are pickup coaches who are in relationships. I like what David Bond teaches, he's not really into marriage but travels the world and has more shorter term girlfriends. In terms of high status men I like Alex Hormozi, he's the power couple type that does philantrophy with his hundreds of millions of dollars. In terms of ecosystem I like Hugh Hefner, he was never divorced but his ex girlfriends have some indeed shady things to say about him.

The problem is you're speaking from theory man. I take from successful men in all niches and apply it to my life and share what I've learned with my clients and online. I don't need a flawless role model to learn from because I can learn from their mistakes. Michael Sartain is a great coach who I've learned form but he's not married. Leo Gura is also a great man that I learn from but he doesn't have my dream dating life. Learn from your other selves on what makes sense to you and build your dream life standing on the shoulders of giants; that's my philosophy. 

That's the life you're on here suggesting for everyone? Do you not have a role model that's married with kids? I don't think most people want what you're seeking.

You're in a broTube rabbit hole, my man.

Edited 18 hours ago by Elliott

[LordFall]

@Valach Totally but we have to define what pickup is then. I define it as the study of seduction and improving you dating life. If you define it as cringe pickup lines and categorize trauma release as a whole other field then you miss the whole essence of it. Meditation and self development were at the core of the pickup industry since I got into it 15 years ago. Julien is a beautiful example because you can see his own journey from being the dude that thought himself above life and disrespecting women to having to rebuild himself and what he values and his woman stuck with him through it and now they're married.

I love how he focuses on the core motivations and the feeling of not being not good enough in his clients. What sort of journey and dating life do you actualize from a place of love and self-belief? It's the journey I'm on and it's great to live through.

The guys I see stuck in the toxic stages of pickup are no fun to be around and are quite limited in their mindsets. Some dislike women as people which tells a lot of about their understanding of themselves and life. Women are great. 

[LordFall]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

That's the life you're on here suggesting for everyone? Do you not have a role model that's married with kids? I don't think most people want what you're seeking.

You're in a broTube rabbit hole, my man.

I'm in a stage of my life where I value abundance and impact not so much childrearing so that's not the type of content I watch but I like what Jordan Peterson and Grant Cardone have to say and they have multiple kids. 

The life I'm suggesting for everyone is achieving abundance and intentionality in their dating life and business/career life. 

[theleelajoker]

26 minutes ago, LordFall said:

No they're not assumptions, they're common landmarks that we can use as epistemology to validate what is said. Instagram is the app that pretty much all women are. If you don't have a presence on there then you will be irrelevant to a lot of them, no matter how well built your life is. I have clients that pay me to build their Instagram, it's called personal branding. 

If you don't know much about the field nor have any way to showcase any social circle you're a part of nor the women that are in your life then your perspective is limited. I'm sure you've dated beautiful women since you're aware of how compliant they get when they trust you and feel safe with you. It's indeed important to get them to help you build your kingdom as well and not just be entitled princess that you labor for, princesses love to work for the king  what else is there to do in this universe. 

@Elliott Not at all, you can feel free to elaborate your perspective but I've just fleshed out your mental block. If you had some intellectual integrity and awareness you'd thank me for it. Feel free to introspect on it and if you're able to point out flaws in my arguments and ideology feel free but it's pretty solid, well researched and tested so I sincerely doubt that you can. 

Ok bro now I think we could along well even if we have completely different perspectives on life 😂

Agreement on the compliance of happy women that trust you. Great win-win IMO. 

My perspective is limited re women that are in insta, yes. But your's is limited re women that don't give a fuck about it. And I like THOSE women quite a lot. Doesn't mean I exclude other women, I once dated a girl working as model and artist, selling herself and her art on Instagram. And saw what kind of life Instagram mindset creates. It's just not for me. 

Also, I have traveled, lived, worked abroad quite a lot. Your POV seems to be primarily western, American even? While insta is a worldwide thing, you can get to know amazing women that don't care the slightest about social media, and more easily outside Western culture.

So there's an automatic selection process: for some women I'm thin air without insta because it's important for them. For some, they like insta and like me because I don't use it, they are intrigued by the difference. Others don't use it and like me because we that in common. 

Edited 18 hours ago by theleelajoker

[LordFall]

3 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Also, I have traveled, lived, worked abroad quite a lot. Your POV seems to be primarily western, American even? While insta is a worldwide thing, you can get to know amazing women that don't care the slightest about social media, and more easily outside Western culture.

I enjoyed reading your perspective bro thanks for sharing, it's true I come at it from a north american dating perspective. Dating is super competitive in western big cities so you need to try hard. For the field reports I've read from SEA and south america it's a lot more chill to date attractive women there. If you date in Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto, New York, Miami, LA, Vegas, London or Paris you need some dang good game and status to constantly be around and pull top tier women otherwise you're gonna struggle for the scraps. 

The problem I find with going after women that don't like social media is you cut yourself off from culture. Social media is just culture at scale globally. I don't really like hanging out with hippie stage green type women, I feel like they just reject culture and think they're above it without having learned to navigate it.