Why people dont understand Islam and why it is a book of the Angels

[Schahin]

Disclaimer: I am not a Muslim nor a Christian, nor any Religion, I am Love incarnated

 

People dont understand Islam nowadays because they take certains verses, that say for example kill the non-believers and say its evil.

But back in Pre-Islamic Arabia Non-Believers were not Atheists but they were Idol Worshippers and the verses of killing them happened right in the middle of wars were the Muslims were attacked, persecuted and tortured by the Idol-Worshippers who  feared their traditions and their financial interests (the traditional and profitable Sale of Idols in Mecca).

If one carefully reads the surahs, one finds out in what barbaric times Muhammed lived, like Slavery being a common thing, sending feminine Slaves into prostitution and so on. So Islam was revealed to him in order to abolish these things like slavery (slowly) to abolish Idol-Worship or the Worship of Kings  and Rulers like the Pharao, and especially the Pharaos are heavily criticized in Islam due to their arrogance in portraying themselves as God that have to be obeyed and worshipped.

It teaches the human to fast (which was very hard in the dry and hot arabian desert) in order to gain spiritual insights and in order to understand what people without food have to go through.

It taught the people not to accumulate wealth, as wealth has no value, but to donate it to the poor. It taught the people to do good deeds like helping orphans and the poor, freeing the slaves and so on.

It was a time were God was a statue and that Statue could have been sold and given horrible sacrifices to and he established the Oneness of God in all of existence (not as hypocritical Christians think, that there is a muslim God and a Christian God).

So the countless references of Hell are merely a way to frighten the Non-Believer (the Idol Worshippers) and to bring them to change their character and do good deeds with the fear of heel as a bad perspective for them. But if one reads the 99 Names of God in Islam, one will get seriously fascinated.

I believe it was written by Angels because it always talks in the first Person Plural form "We" and it is said that it was revealed to Muhammed by Archangel Gabriel

Edited 15 hours ago by Schahin

[Breakingthewall]

Sure that was very revolutionary and necessary in its time, same than crucifying rebellious slaves was civilized and necessary in ancient Rome; the problem is whether you still do it now.

[Someone here]

I don't know who you are but obviously you still identify as a Muslim..I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing ..but why bother at all clarifying the widespread misunderstanding and demonisation of Islam if you've broken out of identification with a religion? 

I agree with everything you said btw. All religious scriptures are metaphorical because they talk to the mind .they use language and concepts so they can only speak metaphorically. 

There is this "prison planet " dude on youtube I've been following who's saying the common factor between all religions is to get out of this physical existence because that's the symbolism of hell vs heaven in islam ..and Samsara vs Nirvana in Buddhism. And alike in the Hindu religion moksha and Christian religion the paradise as well. He sounds like a kid who's having problems getting laid or something and he's now projecting this onto the world calling this life in this world a "prison planet ".

 

[James123]

3 hours ago, Schahin said:

Disclaimer: I am not a Muslim nor a Christian, nor any Religion, I am Love incarnated

 

People dont understand Islam nowadays because they take certains verses, that say for example kill the non-believers and say its evil.

But back in Pre-Islamic Arabia Non-Believers were not Atheists but they were Idol Worshippers and the verses of killing them happened right in the middle of wars were the Muslims were attacked, persecuted and tortured by the Idol-Worshippers who  feared their traditions and their financial interests (the traditional and profitable Sale of Idols in Mecca).

If one carefully reads the surahs, one finds out in what barbaric times Muhammed lived, like Slavery being a common thing, sending feminine Slaves into prostitution and so on. So Islam was revealed to him in order to abolish these things like slavery (slowly) to abolish Idol-Worship or the Worship of Kings  and Rulers like the Pharao, and especially the Pharaos are heavily criticized in Islam due to their arrogance in portraying themselves as God that have to be obeyed and worshipped.

It teaches the human to fast (which was very hard in the dry and hot arabian desert) in order to gain spiritual insights and in order to understand what people without food have to go through.

It taught the people not to accumulate wealth, as wealth has no value, but to donate it to the poor. It taught the people to do good deeds like helping orphans and the poor, freeing the slaves and so on.

It was a time were God was a statue and that Statue could have been sold and given horrible sacrifices to and he established the Oneness of God in all of existence (not as hypocritical Christians think, that there is a muslim God and a Christian God).

So the countless references of Hell are merely a way to frighten the Non-Believer (the Idol Worshippers) and to bring them to change their character and do good deeds with the fear of heel as a bad perspective for them. But if one reads the 99 Names of God in Islam, one will get seriously fascinated.

I believe it was written by Angels because it always talks in the first Person Plural form "We" and it is said that it was revealed to Muhammed by Archangel Gabriel

Religion is not being a believer. 

For instance for Islam, religion is surrendering the believer, which is called tawakkul.

[Schahin]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure that was very revolutionary and necessary in its time, same than crucifying rebellious slaves was civilized and necessary in ancient Rome; the problem is whether you still do it now.

How is crucifying rebellios slaves necessary at any point? How can a sane person think that that is somehow necessary?

Islam brought exactly the freedom of slaves and forced the people so free their slaves so they have a ticket to heaven instead of maintaining slave traditions, if you read surah 90 or 92 or something like that, it commands the people to free their slaves, how is that the same as what the romans did?

 

I know who you are, you are the one cheering for the palestinian genocide and you keep coming with your hatred of Muslims. And I dont even think that you read my Text at all, because I wrote about the freeing of the slaves and you just talk nonsense.  I dont wish someone who cheers the death of little Children to comment this post.

Edited 12 hours ago by Schahin

[Schahin]

46 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I don't know who you are but obviously you still identify as a Muslim..I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing ..but why bother at all clarifying the widespread misunderstanding and demonisation of Islam if you've broken out of identification with a religion? 

I agree with everything you said btw. All religious scriptures are metaphorical because they talk to the mind .they use language and concepts so they can only speak metaphorically. 

There is this "prison planet " dude on youtube I've been following who's saying the common factor between all religions is to get out of this physical existence because that's the symbolism of hell vs heaven in islam ..and Samsara vs Nirvana in Buddhism. And alike in the Hindu religion moksha and Christian religion the paradise as well. He sounds like a kid who's having problems getting laid or something and he's now projecting this onto the world calling this life in this world a "prison planet ".

 

 

 

Well I am not a Muslim and never have been, I am Iranian and was brought up by very heavy Atheist parents and my entire family unfortunately. 

I came to Spiritually after two Ayahuasca Sessions and in those sessions I learnt about faith.

Lately I have been watching alot of Near Death Experiences after having read the book of Dr Eben Alexander "Proof of Heaven" (he is a neurosurgeon by the way) He had a very deep journey into what happened for him in a state of Near Death and many others have talked about heaven in those experiences. So I stronlgy believe there is a heaven simply because People nowadays can die and be resurrected due to modern Medicine and they come and talk about it. Their stories are fascinating by the way. 

And as the more I read in the ISlamic Book the more I found about concepts like compassion and Love and that materialism has no value and that we should give money to the poor. 

But I am not religious I am more interested in Plant Spirits

Edited 12 hours ago by Schahin

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Schahin said:

How is crucifying rebellios slaves necessary at any point? How can a sane person think that that is somehow necessary?

Islam brought exactly the freedom of slaves and forced the people so free their slaves so they have a ticket to heaven instead of maintaining slave traditions, if you read surah 90 or 92 or something like that, it commands the people to free their slaves, how is that the same as what the romans did?

It also command amputation of hands and stonning adulterous 

Edited 12 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Schahin said:

know who you are, you are the one cheering for the palestinian genocide and you keep coming with your hatred of Muslims. And I dont even think that you read my Text at all, because I wrote about the freeing of the slaves and you just talk nonsense. I dont wish someone who cheers the death of little Children to comment this post.

I said in that time that Hamas declared a war then a war happened, not that I cheer death of children. Maybe you didn't understand it well. I don't cheer death of anyone, I just tried to understand the situation placing myself in both sides 

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Schahin said:

And as the more I read in the ISlamic Book the more I found about concepts like compassion and Love and that materialism has no value and that we should give money to the poor. 

That's basically all of what morality and being good in the world boils down to .

[Schahin]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It also command amputation of hands and stonning adulterous 

As far as I know you are an Indian Nationalist what do you say about Hindusim and its caste system that even Ajurna in the Bhagavad Ghita wrote about how important it is to maintain the Caste System. Is the Baghavad Ghita now in favor of degrading certain human beings and making them untouchable. Id like to know your answer.

 

It doesnt command the stoning of adulterous, thats the Old Testament, the Thora. But it certainly has violent parts, because those times were violent. If violence is part of the daily life, it will certainly enter into written scrptures.  People used to bury their daughters alive in those times, Islam came and abolished this practice. Slaves had no way to become free, Islam came and said that freeing slaves will bring you to heaven.

I dont agree with some parts of it for todays life of course not, but it was a Revolution and still has Concepts of Love and Compassion, Helping the Poor, Freeing the Slaves.

Maybe some ignorant people have added textparts to it over the 1400 years. Nobody knows, what we know is that God is Real and God created various Cultural Traditions Like Islam, the Coming of Jesus Christ, Hinduism and Buddhism. 

If there are components of Compassion, Unity Love Helping the Poor and the Orphans, Fasting, and refraining from wordly materialism you can certainly be sure that there is a higher power behind it.

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Schahin

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Schahin said:

As far as I know you are an Indian Nationalist what do you say about Hindusim and its caste system that even Ajurna in the Bhagavad Ghita wrote about how important it is to maintain the Caste System. Is the Baghavad Ghita now in favor of degrading certain human beings and making them untouchable. Id like to know your answer.

 

It doesnt command the stoning of adulterous, thats the Old Testament, the Thora. But it certainly has violent parts, because those times were violent. If violence is part of the daily life, it will certainly enter into written scrptures.  People used to bury their daughters alive in those times, Islam came and abolished this practice. Slaves had no way to become free, Islam came and said that freeing slaves will bring you to heaven.

I dont agree with some parts of it for todays life of course not, but it was a Revolution and still has Concepts of Love and Compassion, Helping the Poor, Freeing the Slaves.

Maybe some ignorant people have added textparts to it over the 1400 years. Nobody knows, what we know is that God is Real and God created various Cultural Traditions Like Islam, the Coming of Jesus Christ, Hinduism and Buddhism. 

If there are components of Compassion, Unity Love Helping the Poor and the Orphans, Fasting, and refraining from wordly materialism you can certainly be sure that there is a higher power behind it.

 

 

2 hours ago, Schahin said:

 

Im not indian . I think that islam is a religion of exclusion, the term for the non Muslims is kafir that's very negative. Islam in its root is expansion, and it's main tool to convince is fear to hell and promises about a paradise. It glorifies a man, Muhammad, who was a warlord and a pedophile without hiding that fact, and predicates the yihad and allow and even recommend marriages between cousins, what's a huge problem in the Muslim world, producing a lot of genetic diseases and decreasingly of the IQ, around 10 points, in many Muslim countries 

Also I don't agree with forced marriages, submission of women to men and marriage with 9 years old girls thats allowed is Quran and still allowed nowadays in many Muslim countries, where girls are sold by their parents to old men. Also,  rape into marriage is not a crime since the woman is a possession of the husband, who can use her for sex according his will. It's a formal precept in Islam. 

Also I don't agree with the arbitrary prohibitions like making human or animal designs, that castrate art, or eating some foods or drinks. I think that anyone who submitted himself to those prohibitions by fear to hell is not a real man but a puppet easy to manipulate.

I also don't agree with the condemn to homosexuality, translated into jail and death in many countries. Also, it's significant that 80% of terrorist actions are perpetrated by Muslims nowadays. 

In short, I think that it's an ideology of control, mental castration and fear. In my opinion, Muslims should break free of that darkness. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Joseph Maynor]

I don't see anything wrong wrong with Islam.  Look inside of you for your reason to castigate. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Joseph Maynor

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Schahin said:

you can certainly be sure that there is a higher power behind it.

I think that it's just a tool of social cohesion and emotional regulation, same that any other religion. Just human matrix. If you believe in a god that transfer to Muhammad the Quran to save humans from hell, well, it's your choice 

[Kid A]

After having spent many years online and hearing so much about how “good” and unproblematic Islam is in itself, I was actually quite surprised when my teacher friends made it very clear that the more religious their Muslim students are, the worse they behave.